Posted by npb7768 on 3/15/2020 10:25:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gillispie1 on 3/14/2020 5:38:00 PM (view original):
well, while we agree on the baseline concept - i guess i don't find d1's 'race to the top' to be that bad, because there are *so* many viable teams relative to the number of humans per world. i really think people are overly concerned about the advantage of the kentuckys and north carolinas over the b- and b baseline schools. its more about the regional recruiting situation, and there's tons of solid programs that you can build. even the C baseline ones aren't that bad to get built into a solid program.
Ehhh....
Hi gillespie,
You have an amazing 14 national championships.
1 at Howard Payne.
1 at Texas A&M.
1 at South Carolina.
8 at Kansas (A+ prestige).
3 at UConn (A+ prestige).
You are a HOF coach who could win anywhere, on Mount Rushmore of HD for sure, but to be honest... coaching at A+ prestige schools can be... pretty... pretty... pretty.... pretty good.
:o)
fair point - but this is my 3rd ID, and i only used it as a primary account in my later, decrepit days - which gives a pretty sketchy view of the situation. when this ID was running concurrent with my others, it was the howard payne days, and later when i was mostly retired in place but couldn't pull the plug on any of them, the south carolina and texas a&m ones. its only my more recent tenure as a that is high prestige school heavy.
1st ID - gillispie
first 5 titles - colorado and texas a&m (tark) - neither better than B baseline. won first title at colorado on C prestige recruits, in my 3rd lifetime season in the BCS / 7th lifetime in d1
2nd ID - coach_billyg
first 11 titles - 2 in d3 (superclass) dubuque in rupp, i think, 9 in d2 (in 21 seasons) at SIUE in GLV d2 tark, first d2 program and most beloved conference
when i was coaching those IDs as my 2 primary teams (i never have more than 2), is when i was at howard with gillispie1.
also along the way back in those earlier days, i briefly coached 2 mid majors in d1, i think both were programs where i was trying a new scheme (fb/zone and fb/pr) starting on d+ prestige - i think both were d baseline. pretty sure both got to the elite 8 within 4 seasons, which to me is plenty for your first class at the school, with d+ prestige - it gets you a very big step forward in prestige, which you can hopefully parlay into more success? and both of those, i was still fairly new to d1, trying new things - over a longer period, im sure i could do better than that.
so, i'll give you that in my old age, i am lazy and use high prestige schools. i also had a co-coach gig at the same time as kansas, at a+ msu with dacj where we won 5 titles in 8 years (yes toppdogg, that one was co-coaching - but none of my gillispie / cbg accounts were). so i actually have been insanely a+ heavy lately, now that you mention it. but its not like i didnt prove my theory on prestige before that. also just won (yes dogg, a co-coach) title with a D prestige baseline and it didnt take us very long.