And topdogg im so dissapointed i never got a chance to have a competitive game with you before you started retiring. I think i finished 0-7 against you hahaha

you know who really stood out to me as a great coaching coach... girt/daalter. he really seemed to grasp the finer points of coaching on his last time around coaching here (at least the last i know of). he had pretty many titles and was fairly well known/respected but never really had the insane dominance of some folks. but generally speaking, hes about the best coaching-side coach i've seen, a step or two ahead of virtually all the coaches with more success than him.

its kinda interesting, this game... there are so many coaches over the years who have had a strong program somewhere, that impressed me or others in one regard or another. especially programs who aren't ideally suited for title winning. there's one in smith, i'm not super familiar with it, but this guy jimmychino coaches this northwestern program, that is a pretty damn impressive program for being at northwestern, which i perceive to be a fairly tricky place to recruit. as far as i know, his 2 titles there are his only 2 in all of HD. https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Ratings.aspx?tid=7967

now, i'm not really saying like, he's the greatest coach you've never heard of or whatever - but if you can build northwestern, i think as a fairly new to d1 coach, into a school that good - i'd have to assume you can go win multiple titles in a number of other, more advantageous circumstances. his is just one example of a hundred. whose to say those coaches aren't just as good as someone else whose played 300 seasons of d1, had 10 higher end programs and has accumulated a dozen d1 titles, perhaps 15-20 total?

basically, just saying i like discussions like these... there's a LOT of good coaches out there who just have 1-2 really solid programs, but don't rack up the titles or the 3peats and all that. these are the programs that make the worlds feel the way they do, if you know what i mean...

the above is why i liked the current-world top program list for 5, 10, 20 seasons... i felt like it was an opportunity to showcase not only like, the most elite programs in history of the game, but also the strong programs and coaches all over the place who make each division of each world unique.

perhaps ill use this at home virus time to resurrect that program, it was really pretty sweet when it was working...

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/8/2020 2:56:00 PM (view original):
the above is why i liked the current-world top program list for 5, 10, 20 seasons... i felt like it was an opportunity to showcase not only like, the most elite programs in history of the game, but also the strong programs and coaches all over the place who make each division of each world unique.

perhaps ill use this at home virus time to resurrect that program, it was really pretty sweet when it was working...

I loved those lists!

Posted by Adjacent1 on 4/8/2020 3:45:00 AM (view original):
And topdogg im so dissapointed i never got a chance to have a competitive game with you before you started retiring. I think i finished 0-7 against you hahaha

I know! Adjacent is good competition. I didn't know you were 0-7 against me. But like I said, I'm still here at the moment, so I'm not dead yet. You may get your shot to destroy one of my teams. It happens to all of us!

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/8/2020 2:56:00 PM (view original):
the above is why i liked the current-world top program list for 5, 10, 20 seasons... i felt like it was an opportunity to showcase not only like, the most elite programs in history of the game, but also the strong programs and coaches all over the place who make each division of each world unique.

perhaps ill use this at home virus time to resurrect that program, it was really pretty sweet when it was working...

Don't think I've ever saw these lists. Care to elaborate? Like where are the lists?

Posted by topdogggbm on 4/8/2020 4:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/8/2020 2:56:00 PM (view original):
the above is why i liked the current-world top program list for 5, 10, 20 seasons... i felt like it was an opportunity to showcase not only like, the most elite programs in history of the game, but also the strong programs and coaches all over the place who make each division of each world unique.

perhaps ill use this at home virus time to resurrect that program, it was really pretty sweet when it was working...

Don't think I've ever saw these lists. Care to elaborate? Like where are the lists?

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=409496 - link with all the **** i ever posted on this. it used to be pinned but every time i edited it, it would get un-pinned, was pretty annoying... if any of the links are broken, replace 'wisjournal.com' or whatever with whatifsports.com

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=492911&TopicsTimeframe=30 - example 'current 10 year dynasty list' from 03/16.

there is a literal **** ton of information in that last link. the titles are in there, in the posts. so like if you look at the 1st post (other than the top intro one), it says 'Last Ten year dynasties - division 1 AllWorlds unweighted' - that means its the 10 year dynasty for all 10 division 1s put into one list - the unweighted bit just ignore, i used to weight more recent seasons more in the weighted lists, and had a version of both - but dropped the unweighted and did different lengths instead (5, 10, 20, 30 seasons). so anyway, that list includes the top 100 d1 programs in the entire game, for the 10 seasons prior to when that was ran. the format of each record - well, its a total coincidence this first one is me, but im not changing now -
1 476 Kansas Big 12-8-103 gillispie1

so that would say like, #1 on the list, with 476 points, is kansas in the big 12 in world 8 (tark), in the 10 season period starting in season 103 (103 to 112), with coach gillispie1.

the 2nd post in that thread is all of d2, third is all of d3.

but then, below that, you get into the per-each-world lists. i like these - when you talk about top 100 programs across 10 worlds, that's only like, top 10 coaches per world get included. the all-time list, which is what i really built first, that's even less - thats the top 100 programs in all of history, across d1 - not many coaches get to participate.

these per-world top 50 lists, i like a lot - TONS of coaches get to participate! most coaches who aren't brand new to a program at least have a shot of being top 50 at some point, whether in the very recent (5 season) or long term (20-30 seasons) basis.

so like, the 4th post down, the title is 'Last Ten year dynasties - division 1 World1 unweighted' - that means last 10 years for d1 in world 1 only. then the next list is d1 world 2, then d1 world 3... eventually you get down to d2 world 1, and so on. so every division of every world (all 30 sets), you get a ranking of the top 50 - which is 1500 spots - so something for everyone, i think? that is why i liked those lists particularly so much, it just gives everyone an opportunity, while still being pretty prestigious, as you get higher on the list.

its not pretty at all - i had ambitions at one point to put it into a web app you could navigate way easier, so you'd say like, i'm this person, and it would show you the lists relevant to you, or else you could say like, show me the current 10 year list for d2 in rupp - and it would. with these lists on the forums, all the data was there - but you had to pay enough attention to understand how i laid it out, and go find the ones relevant to you.

the other major enhancement i wanted was to be able to look back. so i ran these like 10 times, and the all time lists, those don't need to be updated super often. but say i ran it and then again 6 months later - but in the middle there, ended the 10 season run that was ESPECIALLY awesome for your school. were you the #1 program over those 10 seasons? did you ever take that #1 spot? you don't know - all you know is when i ran it, for the most recent 10 seasons, you were #2 on both those lists (or whatever it is). so, i figured i could go back, and run for *every* season that ever existed - so that someone could be like, if you had run this after season 102 in wooden, what would the lists have looked like? or even better yet (combo of idea #1 and #2), you could like, put your name in - and it would go look through all the lists and tell you when your glory days were, like it would be like here's the 5 lists you want to look at, and here's how high you peaked, with some cool stats (like it might say, you had a top 10 d2 program on a 10 season basis, from seasons 112 - 131 in rupp, peaking at the #3 spot following season 125)

Hey Guys. I only check the forums once in a while. I just checked this forum for the first time since I started this thread and I appreciate the feedback. I think this was a pretty cool exercise with a lot of names I had never heard of. I'd like to be on someone's list one day. But 2 Final Fours and no championships at Rhode Island isn't gonna cut it! lol. But I refuse to leave because I don't want to win at a program that wins by itself. I want to win because I managed to recruit and coach my way there. So I will never be the coach with 10-15 National Titles, but if I can manage to win 1 or 2 while coaching "The Island" I will feel like I really accomplished something. #RAMentality. Good luck going forward to all of you that posted.

Posted by Brokenee on 5/4/2020 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Hey Guys. I only check the forums once in a while. I just checked this forum for the first time since I started this thread and I appreciate the feedback. I think this was a pretty cool exercise with a lot of names I had never heard of. I'd like to be on someone's list one day. But 2 Final Fours and no championships at Rhode Island isn't gonna cut it! lol. But I refuse to leave because I don't want to win at a program that wins by itself. I want to win because I managed to recruit and coach my way there. So I will never be the coach with 10-15 National Titles, but if I can manage to win 1 or 2 while coaching "The Island" I will feel like I really accomplished something. #RAMentality. Good luck going forward to all of you that posted.

Winning a title with Rhode Island is more impressive than winning 3 with Duke.

And 2 final fours isn't that bad. ;)

Posted by cubcub113 on 5/4/2020 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Brokenee on 5/4/2020 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Hey Guys. I only check the forums once in a while. I just checked this forum for the first time since I started this thread and I appreciate the feedback. I think this was a pretty cool exercise with a lot of names I had never heard of. I'd like to be on someone's list one day. But 2 Final Fours and no championships at Rhode Island isn't gonna cut it! lol. But I refuse to leave because I don't want to win at a program that wins by itself. I want to win because I managed to recruit and coach my way there. So I will never be the coach with 10-15 National Titles, but if I can manage to win 1 or 2 while coaching "The Island" I will feel like I really accomplished something. #RAMentality. Good luck going forward to all of you that posted.

Winning a title with Rhode Island is more impressive than winning 3 with Duke.

And 2 final fours isn't that bad. ;)

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not to rain on brokenee's parade at all - winning with rhode island is pretty cool - but im curious, what drives this sentiment? rhode island as an a10 school has b- baseline, same as plenty of bcs schools. its not exactly an ideal location but its also what, 50 miles from uconn, if that? so not exactly terrible either. i guess i feel like most of the reason we see a lot more duke titles is based on the coach who is there, not the inherent difficulty of coaching rhode island or the other a10 schools.

i definitely agree its harder - i kinda read your post as 'its easily 3x harder to win a title there' which feels a little strong. but perhaps not much daylight between our opinions. im mostly curious what aspect of rhode island you particularly ascribe that challenge to, as i personally see it as a decent situation.

Posted by gillispie1 on 5/5/2020 12:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 5/4/2020 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Brokenee on 5/4/2020 3:34:00 PM (view original):
Hey Guys. I only check the forums once in a while. I just checked this forum for the first time since I started this thread and I appreciate the feedback. I think this was a pretty cool exercise with a lot of names I had never heard of. I'd like to be on someone's list one day. But 2 Final Fours and no championships at Rhode Island isn't gonna cut it! lol. But I refuse to leave because I don't want to win at a program that wins by itself. I want to win because I managed to recruit and coach my way there. So I will never be the coach with 10-15 National Titles, but if I can manage to win 1 or 2 while coaching "The Island" I will feel like I really accomplished something. #RAMentality. Good luck going forward to all of you that posted.

Winning a title with Rhode Island is more impressive than winning 3 with Duke.

And 2 final fours isn't that bad. ;)

7.0.1

not to rain on brokenee's parade at all - winning with rhode island is pretty cool - but im curious, what drives this sentiment? rhode island as an a10 school has b- baseline, same as plenty of bcs schools. its not exactly an ideal location but its also what, 50 miles from uconn, if that? so not exactly terrible either. i guess i feel like most of the reason we see a lot more duke titles is based on the coach who is there, not the inherent difficulty of coaching rhode island or the other a10 schools.

i definitely agree its harder - i kinda read your post as 'its easily 3x harder to win a title there' which feels a little strong. but perhaps not much daylight between our opinions. im mostly curious what aspect of rhode island you particularly ascribe that challenge to, as i personally see it as a decent situation.

Oh I thought Rhode Island was C baseline?

You can make mistakes at Duke and stay an A+, at the lower baseline schools, even B-, bad seasons drop your prestige quickly. It isn’t easy.

it doesnt even take a mistake to fall from A+ prestige from a B- baseline team. In order to stay at A you must make the elite 8 or better every year it seems. Ive made to NT runner ups in the same conference as brokenee and stayinf in the A presige range is super tough.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 5/5/2020 1:17:00 PM (view original):
You can make mistakes at Duke and stay an A+, at the lower baseline schools, even B-, bad seasons drop your prestige quickly. It isn’t easy.

this is true, but generally speaking, if you are in the title-seeking game, you are probably having enough success to stay at least at an A on a B- or something. at least i think that is true - maybe the conf prestige hit is bigger than i'm thinking. its definitely *way* harder to get rhode island up to an A/A+ so you can start fighting for titles (although you can certainly win on B prestige recruits, but yeah, its a lot harder). but i more look at it as an up-front cost of rebuilding. once rebuilt, i guess i feel like its pretty even footing?