Posted by dahsdebater on 5/30/2020 6:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/30/2020 5:29:00 PM (view original):
Watch what's going on with the protests in Columbus and Cleveland today. Notice how the protests are ALWAYS peaceful until the police start firing tear gas and mace into the crowd. Notice how the protests without a police presence are always peaceful. The police are instigating a fight with the protesters, something they never did to the MAGA people protesting being on lockdown. Then blaming the people they terrorized for the violence that ensues. You reap what you sow.

Who is going to defend this? The enemies here are not the protesters!

So you don't think that people gathering in massive, close-packed groups, largely without masks, are a public problem? Because you thought so last week. Also, it is totally false that no lockdown protesters were forcibly dispersed. That did happen.

With that being said, I generally agree with your point. In Minneapolis the protests were out of hand on their own. Maybe also in DC. In some other locations it is very clear that protesters retaliated violently, but did not initiate rioting or violence.

It's absolutely a public problem. Most protests that I have seen have mandated, or at least made it extremely clear that masks are a necessity, and hand sanitizer is readily available. Still, many will get sick, and it's really unfortunate. Compare what we are protesting for, though. The BLM people are upset that a black man was killed by police. Karens are complaining that they can't get a haircut.

Minneapolis is definitely the exception to the rule, but in fairness, the cops killing George Floyd could be seen as the flashpoint there, and nothing was going to stop the riots at that point. In every other protest that I have seen documented, the police have been the ones who use violence first.

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/30/2020 6:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/30/2020 3:28:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dahsdebater on 5/30/2020 2:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/30/2020 2:28:00 PM (view original):
Saying all lives matter doesn't contradict Black Lives Matter.

That is not what people within BLM were saying at the time.

Can you please point me to where people within BLM said that not all lives matter? Thanks.

For example...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/07/13/why-saying-all-lives-matter-opposite-black-lives-matter/87025190/

I don't see where people are saying that all lives don't matter. They are agreeing with my original point, that the all lives matter "movement" is inherently ridiculous as a counterpoint to black lives matter. I believe that black lives matter. I also believe that all lives matter.

FWIW dahs, I do appreciate your ability to form a coherent argument and not get defensive when challenged. We need more of that here. I'm not at my logical best current because I, along with millions of other people around the country, am really hurting over what's going on right now. I know people who have gotten tear gassed at protests, even when running away from the police.

I wish more of these riots tore down confederate racist white supremacist statues. I can get behind that ****. Victimless crime.

This is disgusting. Right wing media is fearmongering, saying Dallas protesters killed a man trying to protect his store.

1. He's not dead. In stable condition.
2. As far as we know, the store in question wasn't his. We also don't know if it was actually being looted or what led up to..
3. He had a sword, and chased a black kid around with intent to murder. What the **** did he think was going to happen? I don't condone violence but I'm not too upset about it either.
4. Protesters who weren't at the scene when he chased after the black man helped him get medical attention.
5. The right wing media conveniently cuts out the part of the footage where he tries to kill an unarmed black guy. This is deliberate and a clear attempt to mislead viewers.
6. This is the second time today a dumbass Trump supporter tries to 'protect the community' by waging violence and got the **** beaten out of them. One thought he was Katniss Everdeen, the other thought he was in a Lord of the Rings movie. More will come tomorrow I bet, but with guns. Scary stuff.

This is crazy. Clear attempt to incite racial conflict.

I thought Mennonites were non-violent.

Posted by DougOut on 5/31/2020 9:10:00 AM (view original):
I thought Mennonites were non-violent.

I thought Christians knew what the Bible says.

I personally would not participate in violence, but I understand if others do.

Posted by tangplay on 5/31/2020 11:10:00 AM (view original):
I personally would not participate in violence, but I understand if others do.

That's mighty big of you pal. Don't go out of your way. What's on TV?

Posted by rsp777 on 5/31/2020 10:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 5/31/2020 9:10:00 AM (view original):
I thought Mennonites were non-violent.

I thought Christians knew what the Bible says.

I'm glad to see you are a Christian. Let's pray together. Peace at last.

Posted by rsp777 on 5/31/2020 10:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 5/31/2020 9:10:00 AM (view original):
I thought Mennonites were non-violent.

I thought Christians knew what the Bible says.

I have rarely found that to be true...

Me either actually.

Dr. Martin Luther King?

I’m not reading through 3 pages of back and forth ********, so I don’t know what has been said in this thread. But since the thread is titled “Atlanta”, I’ll butt in. Both Keisha Lance Bottoms (Atlanta mayor) and Brian Kemp have done a great job and should be a model for other large cities with the protesters. They have allowed protesting while squashing illegal activity. Those two couldn’t be more polar opposite in their political views, but they work together well. They should teach a seminar with mandatory attendance from our national politicians. I’m not sure I share a single political view with Lance-Bottoms, but she truly has done a great job with Atlanta as Kemp has with the state of GA.

As far as George Floyd case, it is evidence that our system works and that the media is extremely, intentionally divisive. Bad cop kills guy. Bad cop probably going to jail for a long time. That’s the way it should be. There is no evidence that this tragedy was racially motivated. It may have been, but it’s dangerous to assume racism without evidence. Statistically, blacks are not targeted by police. Black males commit over 50% of violent crimes, but yet more whites are killed by cops.

People talk about eradicating excessive police force. Excessive police force is not a problem in our country. Stories like this are news because they are rare. To give an example, black on black crime in Chicago does not make the news because it is a common occurrence. With that said, not every cop is going to be a good cop or even a good person for that matter. There is no way to thoroughly vet every potential candidate. We can take preventive measures, such as body cameras and more training, but we will still have some bad cops slip through the system.

Posted by strikeout26 on 6/1/2020 12:41:00 AM (view original):
I’m not reading through 3 pages of back and forth ********, so I don’t know what has been said in this thread. But since the thread is titled “Atlanta”, I’ll butt in. Both Keisha Lance Bottoms (Atlanta mayor) and Brian Kemp have done a great job and should be a model for other large cities with the protesters. They have allowed protesting while squashing illegal activity. Those two couldn’t be more polar opposite in their political views, but they work together well. They should teach a seminar with mandatory attendance from our national politicians. I’m not sure I share a single political view with Lance-Bottoms, but she truly has done a great job with Atlanta as Kemp has with the state of GA.

As far as George Floyd case, it is evidence that our system works and that the media is extremely, intentionally divisive. Bad cop kills guy. Bad cop probably going to jail for a long time. That’s the way it should be. There is no evidence that this tragedy was racially motivated. It may have been, but it’s dangerous to assume racism without evidence. Statistically, blacks are not targeted by police. Black males commit over 50% of violent crimes, but yet more whites are killed by cops.

People talk about eradicating excessive police force. Excessive police force is not a problem in our country. Stories like this are news because they are rare. To give an example, black on black crime in Chicago does not make the news because it is a common occurrence. With that said, not every cop is going to be a good cop or even a good person for that matter. There is no way to thoroughly vet every potential candidate. We can take preventive measures, such as body cameras and more training, but we will still have some bad cops slip through the system.

Opinions like this are why people have been protesting on the streets for a week. You just DON’T ******* GET IT!