Hall of Fame Tracking Topic

And after the mount Rushmore’s were enshrined plenty of the lesser players from the early era were entered from 1950s on.
1/25/2021 3:06 PM
There are only 17 third baseman in the hall of fame. One is a dude named deacon Jones......George kell and 3 players from the negro leagues.
and Freddy lindstrom who didn’t have very many great seasons over a full career.
1/25/2021 3:33 PM (edited)
Between Billy Williams in 1987 and Gary Carter in 2003, no one who had gotten less than 50% of the vote in a given year had eventually gone on to be elected to the Hall by the BBWAA. Since then, Ryne Sandberg made it after getting 49% in his first year; Bruce Sutter made it without even cracking 1/3 of the vote in his first six years on the ballot; Goose Gossage got 33% in his first year and below 50% each of his first five years; Jim Rice started out below 30% and had 5 years under 50%; Andre Dawson started at 45% and then had two season at 50% before making it on his 9th time on the ballot; Bert Blyleven was below 20% his first three years, and below 50% nine times; Tim Raines was under 20% his first two seasons, and under 50% six times; Jeff Bagwell had 42% his first time on the ballot; Mike Mussina started off with 20%, 25%, and 43%; Edgar Martinez was between 25-43% for his first seven times on the ballot; Larry Walker was between 10-23% his first seven times on the ballot.

All those guys are controversial picks - there was a time when a majority of voters passed on them. I think of a few of them as deserving to be in the Hall, but Bagwell is the only one I'd consider much more than a borderline pick. Of the other picks who were elected by the BBWAA during that time, there are very few who people tend to argue against. I'd skip over a few of them myself (Hoffman, Sutton, Fisk), but probably agree with close to 90% of the selections, outside of that group listed above that failed to crack half the ballots during some years.

So tying it back to the guys on the ballot now... Schilling, Clemens, Bonds were under 50% four times each; Vizquel has gone 37-43-53%; Rolen went from 10-17-35%; Billy Wagner, four years between 10-17%; Sheffield had five years under 14%; Todd Helton went from 16%-29%. Even if some of these guys do get voted in, it seems clear that a lot of voters don't really think they deserve it.
1/26/2021 12:21 AM
Interesting stats/facts! TY!
1/26/2021 8:17 AM
48.2% vote known
schilling - 74.9%
rolen - 61.1%

announcement at 6 pm tonight
1/26/2021 10:46 AM
They've already marked several players as "eliminated."
Last Updated:
1/26/2021 at 09:14 PST
Bobby
Abreu
(2nd)
Barry Bonds
(9th)
Mark
Buehrle
(1st)
A.J.
Burnett
(1st)
Roger Clemens
(9th)
Michael
Cuddyer
(1st)
Dan
Haren
(1st)
LaTroy
Hawkins
(1st)
Todd Helton (3rd) Tim
Hudson
(1st)
Torii
Hunter
(1st)
Andruw Jones
(4th)
Jeff
Kent
(8th)
Andy Pettitte (3rd) Aramis
Ramirez
(1st)
Manny Ramirez
(5th)
Scott
Rolen
(4th)
Curt Schilling
(9th)
Gary Sheffield
(7th)
Sammy Sosa
(9th)
Nick
Swisher
(1st)
Shane
Victorino
(1st)
Omar Vizquel
(4th)
Billy Wagner
(6th)
Barry
Zito
(1st)
% on Public+Anonymous Ballots 11.2% 73.1% 8.1% 0.0% 72.6% 0.0% 0.0% 0.5% 49.2% 3.6% 4.6% 38.6% 32.5% 15.7% 0.5% 34.0% 61.4% 74.6% 48.2% 21.8% 0.0% 0.0% 41.1% 46.7% 0.0%
Total Public+Anonymous Votes 22 144 16 0 143 0 0 1 97 7 9 76 64 31 1 67 121 147 95 43 0 0 81 92 0
% Needed on Remaining Ballots Elim 76.9% Elim Elim 77.4% Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim 88.4% 75.4% Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim Elim
Additional Votes Needed for >75% 275 153 281 297 154 297 297 296 200 290 288 221 233 266 296 230 176 150 202 254 297 297 216 205 297
Additional Votes Needed for >5% --- --- 4 20 --- 20 20 19 --- 13 11 --- --- --- 19 --- --- --- --- --- 20 20 --- --- 20
2020 Actual Final % 5.5% 60.7% 61.0% 29.2% 19.4% 27.5% 11.3% 28.2% 35.3% 70.0% 30.5% 13.9% 52.6% 31.7%
2020 Actual % - Pre-Results % -0.4% -10.2% -9.0% -4.0% -6.1% -6.1% 0.8% -3.2% -12.4% -7.3% -5.4% -2.5% 3.1% -3.8%
2020 Private % - Public % -2.8% -21.2% -16.1% -17.7% 6.8% -24.5% -14.0% -6.1% -10.0% 7.3% -7.1% 2.3% -28.7% -22.9% -13.6% 0.5% -14.7% 1.9% -0.3% -9.4%
Gained Votes from Returning Voters 8 2 2 34 29 9 11 8 31 4 20 8 12 28
Lost Votes from Returning Voters 0 -1 -2 -1 0 -1 -1 -2 -3 -6 0 -3 -12 -2
Net +/- Among Returning Voters 8 1 0 33 29 8 10 6 28 -2 20 5 0 26
Missed 2020 Election by # Votes 276 57 56 182 221 189 253 186 158 20 177 243 89 172
% on Anonymous/Unverifiable Ballots (10) 20.0% 60.0% 0.0% 0.0% 60.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 70.0% 0.0% 10.0% 40.0% 40.0% 30.0% 10.0% 30.0% 60.0% 60.0% 50.0% 20.0% 0.0% 0.0% 40.0% 40.0% 0.0%
% Among First-Time Voters (8) 25.0% 87.5% 0.0% 0.0% 87.5% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 62.5% 0.0% 0.0% 75.0% 25.0% 0.0% 0.0% 12.5% 87.5% 62.5% 75.0% 62.5% 0.0% 0.0% 12.5% 75.0% 0.0%
% Returning Voters, Didn't Vote Last Yr (1) 0.0% 100.0% 0.0% 0.0% 100.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 100.0% 0.0% 0.0% 100.0% 0.0% 100.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
% Among First-Time + Returning Voters (9) 22.2% 88.9% 0.0% 0.0% 88.9% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 55.6% 0.0% 0.0% 66.7% 33.3% 0.0% 0.0% 22.2% 77.8% 66.7% 66.7% 55.6% 0.0% 0.0% 11.1% 66.7% 0.0%
1/26/2021 12:33 PM
The Vote Is In

nobody was elected.
schilling had 71% so he has a very good chance in 22.
clemens and bonds got 61.6% and 61.8% not respectfully so their chances in their last try is slim to none.
1/26/2021 7:37 PM (edited)
Somehow after the year that was 2020, this appears to fit.
1/26/2021 7:15 PM
Yes. They decided no induction was better because of Covid.
1/26/2021 7:38 PM
Next year is last for schilling as well as bonds/Clemens and I think Sosa.
1/26/2021 7:39 PM
1/26/2021 10:42 PM
He doesn’t bash the HOF just the voters in a subdued for him way in the above.
he is obviously kept out because of a judgement on his character......I am as opinionated as anyone and I think his views are downright despicable but he hasn’t committed crimes or been a domestic beater and his comments do not go past a certain line.
I think it is wrong to keep him out and he also looks foolish for giving up and taking himself off the ballot. He was only about 16 votes behind.

anyway I’ll see everyone again on next year’s hof soirée.
same time same bat cave.
1/27/2021 12:20 AM (edited)
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Posted by dannyjoe on 1/26/2021 12:21:00 AM (view original):
Between Billy Williams in 1987 and Gary Carter in 2003, no one who had gotten less than 50% of the vote in a given year had eventually gone on to be elected to the Hall by the BBWAA. Since then, Ryne Sandberg made it after getting 49% in his first year; Bruce Sutter made it without even cracking 1/3 of the vote in his first six years on the ballot; Goose Gossage got 33% in his first year and below 50% each of his first five years; Jim Rice started out below 30% and had 5 years under 50%; Andre Dawson started at 45% and then had two season at 50% before making it on his 9th time on the ballot; Bert Blyleven was below 20% his first three years, and below 50% nine times; Tim Raines was under 20% his first two seasons, and under 50% six times; Jeff Bagwell had 42% his first time on the ballot; Mike Mussina started off with 20%, 25%, and 43%; Edgar Martinez was between 25-43% for his first seven times on the ballot; Larry Walker was between 10-23% his first seven times on the ballot.

All those guys are controversial picks - there was a time when a majority of voters passed on them. I think of a few of them as deserving to be in the Hall, but Bagwell is the only one I'd consider much more than a borderline pick. Of the other picks who were elected by the BBWAA during that time, there are very few who people tend to argue against. I'd skip over a few of them myself (Hoffman, Sutton, Fisk), but probably agree with close to 90% of the selections, outside of that group listed above that failed to crack half the ballots during some years.

So tying it back to the guys on the ballot now... Schilling, Clemens, Bonds were under 50% four times each; Vizquel has gone 37-43-53%; Rolen went from 10-17-35%; Billy Wagner, four years between 10-17%; Sheffield had five years under 14%; Todd Helton went from 16%-29%. Even if some of these guys do get voted in, it seems clear that a lot of voters don't really think they deserve it.
I think Raines and Sandberg are better than borderline picks, but I generally agree with your point and appreciate this serious research.
1/27/2021 7:52 AM
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