Diagnostics for Leadoff Hitters II Topic

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So Mike, are you arguing that teams score more runs when they strikeout less?
2/22/2008 11:42 AM
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You don't score runs when you GIDP. You walk your worse-than-struckout *** back to the dugout and hope your pitcher can put up a zero and pick you up. Because there's a pretty good chance your useless *** ended the inning.
2/22/2008 11:43 AM
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1/3rd of outs don't even have the CHANCE to be productive outs. Because they end the inning.
You know this, right?
And the first guy every inning has no chance to get a productive out.
This isn't news, is it?
Anyone think the run production from "productive outs" may be a bit overstated?
2/22/2008 11:44 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 2/22/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/22/2008

Todd...you're missing the point. All OUTS are the same. Pitchers with lower K rates allow more non-outs than pitchers with higher K rates.
Nuke... you're missing the point. ERAs are based on 27 outs. Apparently, all outs are not the same since lowering the percentage of strikeouts leads to an increase in ERA.
Yes ERAs are based on 27 outs, but if you give up a shitload of hits between those outs, your ERA is going to go up.

The more balls in play a pitcher allows, the more hits he will give up.

From a batter's perspective, of course it's better to hit the ball. But once that ball becomes an out, the benefit of contact is gone.

2/22/2008 11:45 AM
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Good God. How the hell have we made absolutely no progress in 83 pages?
2/22/2008 11:46 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/22/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008

Or we could look at the relationship between strikeouts and runs. ALL strikeous and runs.
You know, the obvious one.
Or you can continue to ignore me because you know I'm right.



Sure. Here's the relationship between strikeouts and runs:

You don't score runs when you strikeout. You walk your no hittin' *** back to the dugout and hope the next player picks you up.

How's that?
2/22/2008 11:46 AM
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You don't score runs when you GIDP. You walk your worse-than-struckout *** back to the dugout and hope your pitcher can put up a zero and pick you up. Because there's a pretty good chance your useless *** ended the inning.
2/22/2008 11:48 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/22/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/22/2008
Sure. Here's the relationship between strikeouts and runs


You don't score runs when you strikeout. You walk your no hittin' *** back to the dugout and hope the next player picks you up.

How's that?



So I can take that as a yes? You believe teams increase their run scoring when they lower their strikeouts.

2/22/2008 11:48 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 2/22/2008
Good God. How the hell have we made absolutely no progress in 83 pages?
Behold: the wonder of irrational daddy worship, plus a solid dose of "baseball old-fogeyism"
2/22/2008 11:48 AM
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oh man, this thread rules.
2/22/2008 11:53 AM
a3morey
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since i havent been affiliated with this site all that long, is this the longest thread of all time (1 and 2 combined)?
2/22/2008 11:54 AM
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700+
2/22/2008 11:58 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/22/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/22/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/21/2008

Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/21/2008

Or we could look at the relationship between strikeouts and runs. ALL strikeous and runs.
You know, the obvious one.
Or you can continue to ignore me because you know I'm right.



Sure. Here's the relationship between strikeouts and runs:

You don't score runs when you strikeout. You walk your no hittin' *** back to the dugout and hope the next player picks you up.

How's that?
2/22/2008 11:58 AM
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2/22/2008 11:58 AM
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Mike why can't you answer the question?

Do you think teams score more runs when they strikeout less?

Nothing like a direct question to settle an argument. Your refusal to answer says a lot more than a yes or no would.

2/22/2008 12:02 PM
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