Diagnostics for Leadoff Hitters II Topic

MikeT23
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I've asked many questions that have gone unanswered. The fact that you can't understand my answer does not surprise me.
Sure. Here's the relationship between strikeouts and runs:

You don't score runs when you strikeout. You walk your no hittin' *** back to the dugout and hope the next player picks you up.

How's that?
2/22/2008 12:06 PM
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So, that's a yes then, right?
You feel that teams score more runs when they strikeout less.
Care to share your evidence?
2/22/2008 12:07 PM
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Minimum of 500 at bats in 2007:
Top 20 GDP averaged 90 k's a year.
Bottom 20 GDP averaged 105 k's a year.
Not that big of a difference considering the chance of a double play happening in any given normal double play possible situation is 1/8. So even if those extra 15 k's were all double play opportunites (man on first with 1 out, etc) ), which they wouldnt be obviously, that is only 2 more GIDP on average per year. I don't think that the gdp argument is significant.
2/22/2008 12:08 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/22/2008
So, that's a yes then, right?
You feel that teams score more runs when they strikeout less.
Care to share your evidence?
I've shown (well, plagiarized) data that shows that pitchers give up more runs when they strikeout fewer hitters.

You realize that the offense/defense is a closed system, right?
2/22/2008 12:15 PM
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Apples and oranges Todd, apples and oranges.
The pitcher's ERA is affected by the amount of baserunners he allows. Pitchers allow more baserunners when they strikeout fewer batters because more balls in play equal more hits.
On offense, we are assuming the out rate to be equal. We aren't taking about the benefit of making contact because you can get a hit.
We are only talking about outs.
2/22/2008 12:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
Here's an exercise for you this year.
Look at the boxscores every day. Keep up on the runs scored by teams that strikeout 14+ times in a game(more than half their outs).
Let me know how many RPG they average. I'm willing to wager that it's less than the league average.
2/22/2008 12:26 PM
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the opposite of a k is not another out in the field.
the opposite of a k is a ball in play that has the potential for a hit.
therefore you cant just say that k would turn into another out and lets look at the run differential.
2/22/2008 12:28 PM
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Keep hiding behind that ******** bet, Mike, and refuse to give a yes or no to my question.
Do you think teams score more runs when they strikeout less?
2/22/2008 12:28 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/22/2008
the opposite of a k is not another out in the field.
the opposite of a k is a ball in play that has the potential for a hit.
therefore you cant just say that k would turn into another out and lets look at the run differential.
Hey Mike, this guy is arguing on your side...yikes.

2/22/2008 12:29 PM
MikeT23
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You have bosux(I assume since I quit reading his posts about 70 pages ago) and harthj.
I believe that says it all.
2/22/2008 12:30 PM
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Yeah, but at least they're making relevant arguments.
a3morey is arguing that hits are better than strikeouts.
2/22/2008 12:32 PM
MikeT23
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I have no doubt that bosux hasn't made a point in 4 days.
I have no doubt that harthj's points are as relevant as his "HBD strategy" that produces a .386 winning percentage.
2/22/2008 12:34 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/22/2008

Yeah, but at least they're making relevant arguments.
a3morey is arguing that hits are better than strikeouts.
actually im not arguing that, stop putting words in my mouth. im arguing that you are looking at the situation in the complete wrong manner. but you are too dumb to wrap your head around that concept and open your mind up to other possibilities. instead you keep referring to your gay little article that no one cares about.
2/22/2008 12:34 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/22/2008
since i havent been affiliated with this site all that long, is this the longest thread of all time (1 and 2 combined)?
Shtickless 1-1159 has it beat.

But, yeah the longest in HBD. And probably only about 6 different 'contributors'.
2/22/2008 12:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a3morey on 2/22/2008

actually im not arguing that, stop putting words in my mouth. im arguing that you are looking at the situation in the complete wrong manner. but you are too dumb to wrap your head around that concept and open your mind up to other possibilities. instead you keep referring to your gay little article that no one cares about.
see Mike...wow.
HEY MORON -
OF COURSE IT'S BETTER TO PUT THE BALL IN PLAY. YOU CAN ONLY GET A HIT IF YOU PUT THE BALL IN PLAY.
NO ONE IS CONTENDING THAT FACT.
WE ARE ONLY ARGUING WHETHER STRIKEOUTS ARE WORSE THAN OTHER OUTS.
GET A F*CKING CLUE.
2/22/2008 12:37 PM
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