Brad...
1. What are you doing awake?!
2. I think that Kobe/Crash/Dwight are pretty switchable.

Posted by longtallbrad on 11/9/2020 10:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 11/9/2020 2:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by longtallbrad on 11/9/2020 8:28:00 AM (view original):
C: Dwight Howard / DeMarcus Cousins
PF: Andre Drummond / Anderson Varejao / Cousins
SF: Gerald Wallace / Richaun Holmes / Ryan Anderson
SG: Kobe Bryant / Goran Dragic
PG: Jose Calderon / Charlie Ward / Dana Barros

I have mixed sentiments about my squad this time around. If my teams don't do well this season, it could very well be because I waited too long to grab a point guard. Kobe was a bit of a desperation pick because I was getting worried about usage and especially 3s. But I could have picked Terry Porter or Deron Williams along with Kobe and then drafted Faried in the fifth. Well, time to play with the cards I dealt myself.

Very good on usage thanks to Kobe. I think the shooting percentages look real good thanks to the front court. No doubt you will be good on boards. I actually think you mustered the assists well. I think this could end up being a very bad defense. Turnovers and fouls are fine.

I think it could end up being similar to my season two squad: great on offense, hemorrhaging points on defense.

Hmm. You may be right. Howard and Bryant are consistently strong defenders and Wallace ranges from good to great. Calderon will be feasted on by certain opponents, and I tend forget that Drummond's starter seasons are mediocre on D.

Drummond, Dragic, Cousins, Barros and Anderson are all mediocre to below average. Which is normally fine but these league tends to be real high on defense and rebounding.

The formula was enough to not be terrible and get a finals team for me last season.

Posted by robusk on 11/9/2020 11:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jcred5 on 11/9/2020 7:24:00 PM (view original):
So are we doing self evals?
Lowry/Harper
Jrue/Harper
Silas/Edge/Jamychal/O'Quinn/partridge in a pear tree
Buck/Blake
KAJ/Sikma or Blake

I certainly hope this team will do better than my S2 middle of the pack, that was really one very good team and 4 crappy teams. And hopefully better than my S1 team that I think was tied for 9th.... but we'll see. Big advantage getting KAJ. From there I decided to build the team I want and not worry as much about players falling on the draft board or picking players earlier than they had been. I've always thought Buck is undervalued in drafts and in previous drafts I was picking early 2nd, which was too early. He has a lot of great eFG, solid usage and D with good boards. Towels aren't too bad. Back to the well with Lowry because he gave me a little of everything except D and I planned to pair him with a defending guard. I like to look back at the draft and see if there's anyone chosen after Lowry that I would take in retrospect, I think the answer is no. Rondo is a better passer and defender but forces you into a 3 point shooting guard with him. Price and Porter shoot less 3's and don't play much D either. Getting Holiday in the 4th is a pretty good pairing. Mostly a good to great defender, shoots a few 3's. Clean player, solid usage. Harper in the 5th was just a value pick. I didn't 100% need him, but he was too good to pass up and a 3 guard rotation with two of them being good to great defenders helps cover for lowry. Don't love the lack of rebounding at the guard - but you have to sacrifice something and I thought there would be plenty of boards left at SF. So in the 6th I take Silas, not sexy at all unless you're into 6-7 guys that play hard nose D and crash the offensive boards. That actually sounds a little sexy to me. Felt I had usage, shooting and assists already covered so the goal here was to get heavy boards, good D and if the don't shoot it well, low usage. Silas hits all those and I'm hoping his often 97% eff at SF won't hurt much.

From here on out it was trying to grab value with so many of my starter minutes covered. O'Quinn, Edge, Jamychal will cut into Silas' time here and there and offer some things I like. I had been hoping to snag Kevin Love for bench usage but Pex grabbed him so I settled for Blake off the bench who I hope isn't the end of the world for 10-12 minutes a game. TJ McConnell won't play too much, wish I had George Hill there instead. Jack Sikma was going to be Cladwell Jones but he wasn't there. I think Sikma could be undervalued in this format. At most he'll give Kareem a blow when I can't deal with Blake's terrible defense.

It seems like depending on how the bench hits, you could bump up against it usage wise occasionally. I am guessing the shooting numbers are pretty low across the teams. I have it as a top five team in both rebounding categories despite the backcourt. Above average assists. Average defense. Below average turnovers and fouls. Middle of the pack? That is what it would appear to me, but KAJ is so effing good that maybe he is enough to overcome it. I do like what you decided to do with the backcourt.

I'll be so disappointed if i'm middle of the pack. What's this magic spreadsheet? I have my shooting averaging pretty good. If you look at an avg of one of my teams it's a little over 53% which I think is a little better than average for this league. But I like to factor usage too. The two best shooters are Kareem with 28.7 usage and 57.8 eFG and Jrue with 23.1 at 54.3, with the worst shooter as Silas at 16.7 usage. I try to incorporate a usage factor that I think suggests my team will do fairly well there.

Posted by jcred5 on 11/10/2020 9:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 11/9/2020 11:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jcred5 on 11/9/2020 7:24:00 PM (view original):
So are we doing self evals?
Lowry/Harper
Jrue/Harper
Silas/Edge/Jamychal/O'Quinn/partridge in a pear tree
Buck/Blake
KAJ/Sikma or Blake

I certainly hope this team will do better than my S2 middle of the pack, that was really one very good team and 4 crappy teams. And hopefully better than my S1 team that I think was tied for 9th.... but we'll see. Big advantage getting KAJ. From there I decided to build the team I want and not worry as much about players falling on the draft board or picking players earlier than they had been. I've always thought Buck is undervalued in drafts and in previous drafts I was picking early 2nd, which was too early. He has a lot of great eFG, solid usage and D with good boards. Towels aren't too bad. Back to the well with Lowry because he gave me a little of everything except D and I planned to pair him with a defending guard. I like to look back at the draft and see if there's anyone chosen after Lowry that I would take in retrospect, I think the answer is no. Rondo is a better passer and defender but forces you into a 3 point shooting guard with him. Price and Porter shoot less 3's and don't play much D either. Getting Holiday in the 4th is a pretty good pairing. Mostly a good to great defender, shoots a few 3's. Clean player, solid usage. Harper in the 5th was just a value pick. I didn't 100% need him, but he was too good to pass up and a 3 guard rotation with two of them being good to great defenders helps cover for lowry. Don't love the lack of rebounding at the guard - but you have to sacrifice something and I thought there would be plenty of boards left at SF. So in the 6th I take Silas, not sexy at all unless you're into 6-7 guys that play hard nose D and crash the offensive boards. That actually sounds a little sexy to me. Felt I had usage, shooting and assists already covered so the goal here was to get heavy boards, good D and if the don't shoot it well, low usage. Silas hits all those and I'm hoping his often 97% eff at SF won't hurt much.

From here on out it was trying to grab value with so many of my starter minutes covered. O'Quinn, Edge, Jamychal will cut into Silas' time here and there and offer some things I like. I had been hoping to snag Kevin Love for bench usage but Pex grabbed him so I settled for Blake off the bench who I hope isn't the end of the world for 10-12 minutes a game. TJ McConnell won't play too much, wish I had George Hill there instead. Jack Sikma was going to be Cladwell Jones but he wasn't there. I think Sikma could be undervalued in this format. At most he'll give Kareem a blow when I can't deal with Blake's terrible defense.

It seems like depending on how the bench hits, you could bump up against it usage wise occasionally. I am guessing the shooting numbers are pretty low across the teams. I have it as a top five team in both rebounding categories despite the backcourt. Above average assists. Average defense. Below average turnovers and fouls. Middle of the pack? That is what it would appear to me, but KAJ is so effing good that maybe he is enough to overcome it. I do like what you decided to do with the backcourt.

I'll be so disappointed if i'm middle of the pack. What's this magic spreadsheet? I have my shooting averaging pretty good. If you look at an avg of one of my teams it's a little over 53% which I think is a little better than average for this league. But I like to factor usage too. The two best shooters are Kareem with 28.7 usage and 57.8 eFG and Jrue with 23.1 at 54.3, with the worst shooter as Silas at 16.7 usage. I try to incorporate a usage factor that I think suggests my team will do fairly well there.

Those percentages in the last paragraph are just for one team though, sounds like with the best Jrue and KAJ - I think it's gonna be a problem for teams 3, 4, 5.

Oh man, I can’t possibly predict what seasons people will use. I don’t even try. That would take so much time. It just picks the top five season by some metric I have. You could certainly be using better shooting seasons that it assumes.

The hardest part about drafting Kareem is leaving a couple awesome seasons unused. I think if we created a savage left overs league after we started this one, using left over seasons, I'd do pretty good.

Posted by jcred5 on 11/10/2020 12:47:00 PM (view original):
The hardest part about drafting Kareem is leaving a couple awesome seasons unused. I think if we created a savage left overs league after we started this one, using left over seasons, I'd do pretty good.

I am open to this...Wilt scoring machine seasons against the leftovers could be a fun setup

Lebron laughs at us all as the five seasons gerry didn't use for Lebron would easily be a top 5 pick.

Posted by ashamael on 11/10/2020 4:54:00 PM (view original):
Lebron laughs at us all as the five seasons gerry didn't use for Lebron would easily be a top 5 pick.

And that next five after that (his 11th-15th best seasons) would be a first-round pick. I think it's tough to pick exactly which seasons are the best ten, but I'm pretty sure I would take Lebron's seasons 11-15 over, say, Harden (and probably Giannis as well).

i updated the rosters through round 7....ill try to finish them tomorrow...help out if you can...maybe we can get some evals


1. gerryred - LeBron James, Bill Russell, Jerry Lucas, Mark Price, Kyle Korver, James Worthy, Josh Smith

2. mikee1 - Wilt Chamberlain, Shawn Marion, Robert Parish, Terry Porter, Kemba Walker, Jonas Valanciunas, Marvin Williams

3. ashamael - Steph Curry, Ben Wallace, Rajon Rondo, Carlos Boozer, Kermit Washington, Mike Conley, Clarence Weatherspoon

4. benhoidal - Shaquille O'Neal, Paul George, Serge Ibaka, Alonzo Mourning, Kenneth Faried, Clifford Ray, Mark Jackson

5. longtallbrad - Dwight Howard, Andre Drummond, Gerald Wallace, Kobe Bryant, Jose Calderon, Charlie Ward, DeMarcus Cousins

6. 20ks - Michael Jordan, Dikembe Mutombo, Donyell Marshall, Danny Green, Nate McMillan, Emeka Okafor, Don Buse

7. jcred5 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Buck Williams, Kyle Lowry, Jrue Holiday, Derek Harper, Paul Silas, Kyle O'Quinn

8. albiband0 - Giannis Antetokounmpo, Elton Brand, Kyrie Irving, Alvin Robertson, Dan Roundfield, Enes Kanter, Reggie Miller

9. robusk - Chris Paul, Shawn Kemp, Horace Grant, Clyde Drexler, Andrew Bogut, Bradley Beal, Chris Webber

10. dh555 - Karl Malone, Tyson Chandler, Mookie Blaylock, Paul Pierce, Marques Johnson, Wes Unseld, Darrell Armstrong

11. goetz93 - Charles Barkley, Ben Simmons, Joakim Noah, Brent Barry, Bob Lanier, Paul Pressey, Bam Adebayo

12. jhsukow - James Harden, Jason Kidd, Draymond Green, Clint Capela, Al Horford, Bo Outlaw, Domantas Sabonis

13. bds9992 - Larry Bird, Karl-Anthony Towns, Chauncey Billups, Andrei Kirilenko, Tree Rollins, Derrick Favors, John Collins

14. zora4preside - Kevin Durant, Steve Nash, Patrick Ewing, Maurice Cheeks, Anthony Mason, Luka Doncic, George Gervin

15. dbkc - David Robinson, Kawhi Leonard, Bill Walton, Deron Williams, Anfernee Hardaway, Chris Andersen, Dirk Nowitzki

16. midge - Kevin Garnett, Kevin McHale, Walt Frazier, Jerry West, Dave Cowens, Kevin Johnson, Otto Porter

17. notoriousj - Magic Johnson, Klay Thompson, Marcus Camby, Charles Oakley, Bob McAdoo, JaVale McGee, John Henson

18. pexetera - Anthony Davis, Dennis Rodman, Manu Ginobili, Eric Bledsoe, Andrew Bynum, Kevin Love, Ed Davis

19. cmcafeeky - Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade, Nikola Jokic, Jimmy Butler, Sidney Moncrief, Arvydas Sabonis, Cedric Maxwell

20. tarheel1991 - Hakeem Olajuwon, Rudy Gobert, Oscar Robertson, Andre Iguodala, Joel Embiid, Samuel Dalembert, Chris Mullin

21. jpevans31 - Scottie Pippen, Hassan Whiteside, Bobby Jones, Terrell Brandon, Paul Millsap, Tracy McGrady, Larry Smith

22. 24kpyrite - Artis Gilmore, Gary Payton, Ray Allen, Dale Davis, Willis Reed, Bill Bridges, Kyle Anderson

23. jkaye24 - John Stockton, DeAndre Jordan, Larry Nance, Paul Gasol, Nikola Vucevic, Victor Oladipo, Vince Carter

24. amerk1180 - Julius Erving, Moses Malone, Damian Lillard, Amare Stoudemire, Montrezl Harrell, Tom Boerwinkle, Jon Barry

Selected By	Pick	Name
20ks	6	Jordan, Michael
	43	Mutombo, Dikembe
	67	Marshall, Donyell
	78	Green, Danny
	115	McMillan, Nate
	126	Okafor, Emeka
	163	Buse, Don
	174	Stojakovic, Peja
	211	Hill, Grant
	222	Hayes, Elvin
	259	Richardson, Micheal Ray
	270	English, Alex
24kpyrite	22	Gilmore, Artis
	27	Payton, Gary
	51	Allen, Ray
	94	Davis, Dale
	99	Reed, Willis
	142	Bridges, Bill
	147	Anderson, Kyle
	190	Tyler, Terry
	195	Smith, J.R.
	238	Wall, John
	243	Brown, P.J.
	286	Bellamy, Walt
albiband0	8	Antetokounmpo, Giannis
	41	Brand, Elton
	65	Irving, Kyrie
	80	Robertson, Alvin
	113	Roundfield, Dan
	128	Kanter, Enes
	161	Miller, Reggie
	176	Cooper, Michael
	209	Johnson, George T.
	224	Ming, Yao
	257	Battier, Shane
	272	Bradley, Shawn
amerk1180	24	Erving, Julius
	25	Malone, Moses
	49	Lillard, Damian
	96	Stoudemire, Amare
	97	Harrell, Montrezl
	144	Boerwinkle, Tom
	145	Barry, Jon
	192	Teague, Jeff
	193	Jones, Eddie
	240	Noel, Nerlens
	241	Jackson Jr., Jaren
	288	Grant, Jerami
ashamael	3	Curry, Stephen
	46	Wallace, Ben
	70	Rondo, Rajon
	75	Boozer, Carlos
	118	Washington, Kermit
	123	Conley, Mike
	166	Weatherspoon, Clarence
	171	Daniels, Mel
	214	Odom, Lamar
	219	Westphal, Paul
	262	Humphries, Kris
	267	Johnson, Amir
bds9992	13	Bird, Larry
	36	Towns, Karl-Anthony
	60	Billups, Chauncey
	85	Kirilenko, Andrei
	108	Rollins, Tree
	133	Favors, Derrick
	156	Collins, John
	181	Eaton, Mark
	204	Hield, Buddy
	229	Hardaway, Tim
	252	Bosh, Chris
	277	Floyd, Sleepy
benhoidal	4	O'Neal, Shaquille
	45	George, Paul
	69	Ibaka, Serge
	76	Mourning, Alonzo
	117	Faried, Kenneth
	124	Ray, Clifford
	165	Jackson, Mark
	172	Middleton, Khris
	213	Biyombo, Bismack
	220	Rubio, Ricky
	261	Williams, Walt
	268	Aldrich, Cole
cmcafeeky	19	Duncan, Tim
	30	Wade, Dwyane
	54	Jokic, Nikola
	91	Butler, Jimmy
	102	Moncrief, Sidney
	139	Sabonis, Arvydas
	150	Maxwell, Cedric
	187	Wallace, Rasheed
	198	Jones, Caldwell
	235	Hayward, Gordon
	246	Johnson, Gus
	283	Isaac, Jonathan
dBKC	15	Robinson, David
	34	Leonard, Kawhi
	58	Walton, Bill
	87	Williams, Deron
	106	Hardaway, Anfernee
	135	Andersen, Chris
	154	Nowitzki, Dirk
	183	Siakam, Pascal
	202	Green, A.C.
	231	Miller, Mike
	250	Gortat, Marcin
	279	Lever, Fat
dh555	10	Malone, Karl
	39	Chandler, Tyson
	63	Blaylock, Mookie
	82	Pierce, Paul
	111	Johnson, Marques
	130	Unseld, Wes
	159	Armstrong, Darrell
	178	Johnson, James
	207	McCray, Rodney
	226	Ceballos, Cedric
	255	Rogers, Rodney
	274	Jefferson, Al
gerryred	1	James, LeBron
	48	Russell, Bill
	72	Lucas, Jerry
	73	Price, Mark
	120	Korver, Kyle
	121	Worthy, James
	168	Smith, Josh
	169	Wright, Brandan
	216	Terry, Jason
	217	Tarpley, Roy
	264	Sefolosha, Thabo
	265	Jones, Terrence
goetz93	11	Barkley, Charles
	38	Simmons, Ben
	62	Noah, Joakim
	83	Barry, Brent
	110	Lanier, Bob
	131	Pressey, Paul
	158	Adebayo, Bam
	179	Ingles, Joe
	206	Sanders, Larry
	227	Beaty, Zelmo
	254	Gasol, Marc
	275	Beverley, Patrick
jcred5	7	Abdul-Jabbar, Kareem
	42	Williams, Buck
	66	Lowry, Kyle
	79	Holiday, Jrue
	114	Harper, Derek
	127	Silas, Paul
	162	O'Quinn, Kyle
	175	Griffin, Blake
	210	Edge, Charlie
	223	Green, JaMychal
	258	McConnell, T.J.
	271	Sikma, Jack
jhsukow	12	Harden, James
	37	Kidd, Jason
	61	Green, Draymond
	84	Capela, Clint
	109	Horford, Al
	132	Outlaw, Bo
	157	Sabonis, Domantas
	180	Westbrook, Russell
	205	Turner, Myles
	228	Moon, Jamario
	253	Ayton, Deandre
	276	Lacey, Sam
jkaye24	23	Stockton, John
	26	Jordan, DeAndre
	50	Nance, Larry
	95	Gasol, Pau
	98	Vucevic, Nikola
	143	Oladipo, Victor
	146	Carter, Vince
	191	Covington, Robert
	194	Allen, Jarrett
	239	Anthony, Carmelo
	242	Van Lier, Norm
	287	Haywood, Spencer
jpevans31	21	Pippen, Scottie
	28	Whiteside, Hassan
	52	Jones, Bobby
	93	Brandon, Terrell
	100	Millsap, Paul
	141	McGrady, Tracy
	148	Smith, Larry
	189	Collison, Darren
	196	Nance Jr., Larry
	237	West, Mark
	244	Bowen, Bruce
	285	Miller, Oliver
longtallbrad	5	Howard, Dwight
	44	Drummond, Andre
	68	Wallace, Gerald
	77	Bryant, Kobe
	116	Calderon, Jose
	125	Ward, Charlie
	164	Cousins, DeMarcus
	173	Dragic, Goran
	212	Holmes, Richaun
	221	Varejao, Anderson
	260	Anderson, Ryan
	269	Barros, Dana
Midge	16	Garnett, Kevin
	33	McHale, Kevin
	57	Frazier, Walt
	88	West, Jerry
	105	Cowens, Dave
	136	Johnson, Kevin
	153	Porter, Otto
	184	Murphy, Troy
	201	Tatum, Jayson
	232	Porter, Michael
	249	Havlicek, John
	280	Hornacek, Jeff
mikee1	2	Chamberlain, Wilt
	47	Marion, Shawn
	71	Parish, Robert
	74	Porter, Terry
	119	Walker, Kemba
	122	Valanciunas, Jonas
	167	Williams, Marvin
	170	McDyess, Antonio
	215	Gatling, Chris
	218	Nelson, Jameer
	263	Marjanovic, Boban
	266	Williams, Hot Rod
NotoriousJ	17	Johnson, Magic
	32	Thompson, Klay
	56	Camby, Marcus
	89	Oakley, Charles
	104	McAdoo, Bob
	137	McGee, JaVale
	152	Henson, John
	185	McCollum, C.J.
	200	Wood, Christian
	233	Bradley, Tony
	248	Diallo, Cheick
	281	Lin, Jeremy
pexetera	18	Davis, Anthony
	31	Rodman, Dennis
	55	Ginobili, Manu
	90	Bledsoe, Eric
	103	Bynum, Andrew
	138	Love, Kevin
	151	Davis, Ed
	186	Kukoc, Toni
	199	Wright, Delon
	234	Lee, David
	247	Hill, George
	282	Zubac, Ivica
robusk	9	Paul, Chris
	40	Kemp, Shawn
	64	Grant, Horace
	81	Drexler, Clyde
	112	Bogut, Andrew
	129	Beal, Bradley
	160	Webber, Chris
	177	Plumlee, Mason
	208	Harper, Ron
	225	Tinsley, Jamaal
	256	Chriss, Marquese
	273	Nurkic, Jusuf
tarheel1992	20	Olajuwon, Hakeem
	29	Gobert, Rudy
	53	Robertson, Oscar
	92	Iguodala, Andre
	101	Embiid, Joel
	140	Dalembert, Samuel
	149	Mullin, Chris
	188	Batum, Nicolas
	197	Anderson, Nick
	236	West, David
	245	Davis, Baron
	284	Person, Wesley
zora4preside	14	Durant, Kevin
	35	Nash, Steve
	59	Ewing, Patrick
	86	Cheeks, Maurice
	107	Mason, Anthony
	134	Doncic, Luka
	155	Gervin, George
	182	Nater, Swen
	203	Przybilla, Joel
	230	Williamson, Zion
	251	Beaubois, Rodrigue
	278	Mejri, Salah

Finally figured out my teams and got them in.

Anyone have any draft regrets? For me, I know Dirk was a huge “steal” in the 7th but idk man. He’s just kinda meh. I like the consistency he gives me off the bench but I’m not sure how often he’ll be better than the opposing PF, even if most of his matchups will be against bench players. Am I sleeping on him? Never used him before. His stats don’t impress me much.

I’ve got a complete list of drafted rosters and should be able to post them within the hour.

Posted by dBKC on 11/12/2020 1:24:00 PM (view original):
Finally figured out my teams and got them in.

Anyone have any draft regrets? For me, I know Dirk was a huge “steal” in the 7th but idk man. He’s just kinda meh. I like the consistency he gives me off the bench but I’m not sure how often he’ll be better than the opposing PF, even if most of his matchups will be against bench players. Am I sleeping on him? Never used him before. His stats don’t impress me much.

Yeah I only like Dirk in progs.

My regret was Conley. I went “value” over plan and he does almost nothing I want off the bench. If he was 100% sg, different story.

I also loosely regret Boozer even with Big Ben covering his shortcomings. Keeps throwing my defensive average way down, making me sort through and try to do other things with the team and causing me to do another build. Life would have been much simpler had I gone Zo, but then I’d be poised about boards... anyway. Teams will be in tonight after another build or two.