Tea Party 4-18-11 Topic

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/28/2010
If you think the first line of the second paragraph applies just as much today as it did 30 years ago, you are on crack.
My second post? Just take out inflation and replace enegry crisis with climate change (which is directly from energy crisis) and then I am not on crack.

"...we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up: a new and altogether indigestible economic stew, one part inflation, one part high unemployment, one part recession, one part runaway taxes, one party deficit spending and seasoned by an energy crisis. It's an economic stew that has turned the national stomach."
5/28/2010 9:56 AM
Similarly as from 1974-1980, 2001-current has been more than just one administration.
5/28/2010 9:59 AM
"As an immediate program of action, we must abolish useless offices. We must eliminate unnecessary functions of government...we must consolidate subdivisions of government and, like the private citizen, give up luxuries which we can no longer afford."
5/28/2010 10:07 AM
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5/28/2010 10:27 AM
Quote: Originally posted by raucous on 5/28/2010"As an immediate program of action, we must abolish useless offices. We must eliminate unnecessary functions of government...we must consolidate subdivisions of government and, like the private citizen, give up luxuries which we can no longer afford."

Some good lines. Too bad dude didn't practice what he preached.
5/28/2010 10:36 AM
Plus, any statement of Reagan's from the early '80s talking about taxes is basically irrelevant to the current state of things. Income tax has been virtually unchanged since the end of Reagan's second term, as has the overall tax burden. If anything, it's lower now than it was when Reagan office.

If you're suggesting that taxes are a huge problem today, then you're suggesting that Reagan himself was wrong about what an appropriate tax burden should be -- in which case, it's kind of silly to quote him on the issue.
5/28/2010 10:37 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By rlahann on 5/28/2010
Quote: Originally posted by raucous on 5/28/2010 "As an immediate program of action, we must abolish useless offices. We must eliminate unnecessary functions of government...we must consolidate subdivisions of government and, like the private citizen, give up luxuries which we can no longer afford."

Some good lines. Too bad dude didn't practice what he preached
That is an FDR quote that Reagan requoted. Neither of them panned out.
5/28/2010 10:51 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/28/2010Plus, any statement of Reagan's from the early '80s talking about taxes is basically irrelevant to the current state of things. Income tax has been virtually unchanged since the end of Reagan's second term, as has the overall tax burden. If anything, it's lower now than it was when Reagan office.

If you're suggesting that taxes are a huge problem today, then you're suggesting that Reagan himself was wrong about what an appropriate tax burden should be -- in which case, it's kind of silly to quote him on the issue
If you are just looking at income tax, here are the numbers (generally speaking)

1986

15%/28%/33%/28%

2010

10%/15%/25%/28%/33%/35%

If I am reading it right, 86 15%, became a split of 10% and 15% and 33% became a split between 28% and 33%. So essentially, yes.

However, Reagan was talking about 1980 when times were as bad as they are now. He cut the taxes 25% across the board of the 24?! tax brackets that existed back in 1981.

Also Reagan increased the gas tax to 9 cents a gallon. Now it is at 18.4 cents a gallon.

It is a lot of the extra fees and taxes that gets me riled up.
5/28/2010 11:23 AM
No, actually, I'm looking at the overall tax burden.

Tax Freedom Day in 1988 was April 22. This year, it was April 9. It's a crude measure, but it gets the point across.
5/28/2010 11:59 AM
It's worth noting that the gas tax does not adjust for inflation and hasn't increased since 1993. The highway trust fund has gone underfunded, like so many other programs, for some time now, resulting in major problems with road maintenance and safety.
5/28/2010 12:17 PM
If they stopped giving out the pork, maybe there would be some money available to the departments that could use it.
5/28/2010 1:54 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/28/2010No, actually, I'm looking at the overall tax burden.

Tax Freedom Day in 1988 was April 22. This year, it was April 9. It's a crude measure, but it gets the point across
Of course it went up since Obama is in office.

And if we add the deficit in we go to almost record levels.
5/28/2010 4:27 PM
Err, no, swamp, the overall tax burden has gone down since Obama took office. That's why it took fewer days to reach Tax Freedom Day than it did at the end of Reagan's second term -- or for that matter the end of Bush's since Tax Freedom Day was April 16 in 2008. Do try to keep up.
5/28/2010 6:33 PM
Obama took office in 2009. The April 2009 tax burden was lower than the 2010 Burden.

It went up!

Maybe if you took more time to think about numbers and less thinking about clever comebacks you wouldn't get things like this wrong so often!
5/28/2010 9:12 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By raucous on 4/16/2010

How much did you pay? All I see is that what everyone overpaid. My family overpaid by $6k.

Fed Tax - $32,631

State Tax - $9,605

Soc Sec Tax - $11,775

Medicare Tax - $2894

Real Estate Tax - $6,551

Excise Tax - $100

Gas Tax (est) -$875

I can't even guess the sales tax.

Total Taxes $64k

So my entire salary goes to pay the government. Very nice. I didn't realize that I worked for them for free.

5/28/2010 10:49 PM
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