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firemanrob
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Yeah not far off, if he got me 30-35 HRs/season, I'd be happy.
12/27/2009 5:08 PM
knucklebones
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Sounds like you were crying to me plague. Thought you might want a tissue to wipe the snot away. I got the impression it was one of your players since you were complaining/whining so much in this thread. Sorry.
12/27/2009 7:53 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by plague on 12/27/2009You are right, you can't complain about the average, he is a awesome singles hitter.

To be fair I am seeing some players with 90 plus power having good seasons, but it seems to me that players with 90 plus power are no better than players with 80 plus power. I might be wrong, but it seems to me that players with 90 plus power are being hit with some kind of nerf that lowers their value too much in comparison to players with lesser power.

That does *seem* to be the case, imo, though it's too early to be sure.

I base my opinion on one guy, really:
Roy Haynes
with his 86/94/60/70/92 hitting he's only got 3 HRs through 236 ABs, while playing in a slight hitter's park (New Orleans).

Then I've got this guy: Bing Hardy who's suprisingly slugging higher than Haynes, despite slightly lesser hitting ratings. *And* doing better than last season, before the update.

Like I said, I'm not ready to break out the pitchforks and torches just yet, but I can't help but scratch my head at Haynes' performance as yet. It makes me wonder if there isn't something screwy with the formula that (all else being equal) makes 90ish power worse than 80ish power.

12/27/2009 8:53 PM
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So send a ticket. I've got a whole team worth of guys 100pts below their slugging. Since I have balanced teams I can't really pick out one or two guys. My teams suck as a whole and so does everyone elses it seems. That was the idea right?

Until McGwire/Bonds and all the 'roids, 50 was a GREAT season hitting HRs. How many guys hit 60 before that? 2? Yeah 2...

And to all these people that say they should've "phased" it in over a period of seasons, what about the guys who got screwed when they changed SBs and baserunning? They weren't given a warning. They just had to deal with it. Try changing a team of 90 speed guys into something else.

I know why... there were like a handful of teams that ran their clubs that way so no one cared what we thought. Since we has SO many teams playing beaneball and waiting on HRs, now its a problem for people and they need to be coddled.
12/27/2009 11:38 PM
knucklebones
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Also your speculation on how 80 power is somehow better than 90 power is based on how many games? When was this update? Not very long ago.
12/27/2009 11:40 PM
knucklebones
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One more thing about the guys you're showing above. One is 24 (Haynes)and is going to be a beast. The other is fully developed and 35. I've noticed in my many seasons of playing that younger players are less consistent than vets. Anyways Im sounding like a ***** so I'll go away. I have 889 posts for a reason. Im smart enough to keep my mouth shut most of the time because I tend to stick my foot in it. :(
12/27/2009 11:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By knucklebones on 12/28/2009Also your speculation on how 80 power is somehow better than 90 power is based on how many games? When was this update? Not very long ago
Go back a few pages and look at the ticket I posted. WIS stated that the update was designed to only affect the top power ratings. Lower power ratings were to be unaffected.

Side note, I will repost something I wrote a couple pages back. All of the pro-update crowd refuses to address the issue that some players with excellent ratings besides power are having below replacement-level seasons. Explain that away.
12/28/2009 8:59 AM
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Why would anyone address anecdotal evidence? So some players are having horrible years, just like others are having great years.
12/28/2009 9:18 AM
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The problem is that you're trying to use a very small sample size(a couple of your players) to prove a point. It doesn't work like that.

Top 10(Moonlight Graham-NL Only) in homers:
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Notice anything? We've played 108 games. All under the new power engine. I picked one league only because, with that many games played, they should have faced similar pitchers. Now tell me what you notice about those players.
12/28/2009 9:21 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jvford on 12/28/2009

Why would anyone address anecdotal evidence? So some players are having horrible years, just like others are having great years.

Clearly we cannot be 100% sure of anything, but if WIS releases an update, and suddenly things change we can use that as anecdotal evidence of a problem. People have been executed for less.
12/28/2009 9:45 AM
MikeT23
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Isn't this just really a case of the 28/94/37/39/83 guys taking a big hit? Everyone knows those types were overperforming. Reverse the contact and power and you don't even consider the guy for a BL team unless he's an outstanding fielder.

Seriously, WifS corrected a flaw.
12/28/2009 9:48 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By jvford on 12/28/2009

Why would anyone address anecdotal evidence? So some players are having horrible years, just like others are having great years.

Clearly we cannot be 100% sure of anything, but if WIS releases an update, and suddenly things change we can use that as anecdotal evidence of a problem. People have been executed for less.
No you can't. You would need to group player types together across worlds and look at their production pre and post update. Cherry-picking is irresponsible.
12/28/2009 9:57 AM
firemanrob
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You next in line?
12/28/2009 10:02 AM
MikeT23
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/28/2009
The problem is that you're trying to use a very small sample size(a couple of your players) to prove a point. It doesn't work like that.

Top 10(Moonlight Graham-NL Only) in homers:
6199886585


6096454257


5992659273


9197876687


4686877563


4893968765


8497547486


8193717275


7299666464


8389546285


Notice anything? We've played 108 games. All under the new power engine. I picked one league only because, with that many games played, they should have faced similar pitchers. Now tell me what you notice about those players.



Why hasn't anyone said "WHOA!! Eight of those league leaders in homers, who have played 108 games under the new engine, are 92+ in power. And the other two are 89 and 86(with really good splits)!!!"?

Why hasn't that happened?
12/28/2009 10:06 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 12/28/2009
Isn't this just really a case of the 28/94/37/39/83 guys taking a big hit? Everyone knows those types were overperforming. Reverse the contact and power and you don't even consider the guy for a BL team unless he's an outstanding fielder.

Seriously, WifS corrected a flaw.

So, we're willing to say that WIS has definitely adjusted the performance of those types of players, but players with otherwise excellent ratings having horrible years is purely coincidence?
12/28/2009 10:33 AM
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