The number of homeless will skyrocket without border enforcement. So will wait times in emergency rooms.

The people fleeing desperate conditions is understandable. But the message must be that they wait their turn to come here, they sign the guest book, they contribute and then become citizens. This isn't a flop house...ask Merkle if she would have done things differently. She created a mess. They are overrun...

What good does it do anyone to just let them in, if they have no access to opportunity, no skills? They will immediately become a burden, and that is not what they seek. It may appeal to a liberal to feel they've done something nice for someone, but it only makes it worse.

Posted by DoctorKz on 7/4/2018 1:02:00 PM (view original):
The number of homeless will skyrocket without border enforcement. So will wait times in emergency rooms.

The people fleeing desperate conditions is understandable. But the message must be that they wait their turn to come here, they sign the guest book, they contribute and then become citizens. This isn't a flop house...ask Merkle if she would have done things differently. She created a mess. They are overrun...

What good does it do anyone to just let them in, if they have no access to opportunity, no skills? They will immediately become a burden, and that is not what they seek. It may appeal to a liberal to feel they've done something nice for someone, but it only makes it worse.

1. I don't support completely open borders. I want vetting, and I discourage and want to limit illegal immigration.
2. In social democracy, immigrants would have acess to things like free healthcare and education.

Free health care isn't free. Hospitals and doctors don't operate without adequate funding. There is a price tag, and it would be staggering. Claims of lower prices and better care were BS out of Obama's mouth. He couldn't deliver as advertised.

The proof is in the pudding...

Don't forget, politicians are in it for the vote, not for delivering...is why many voted in a businessman.

What Socialists propose would place a huge burden on taxpayers.

Most Americans want choices in Healthcare. They don't want to be waiting months for surgeries, or to be told that Grandma is too old or not a worthy candidate for care. They don't want the government making those decisions. Rationed Healthcare sucks.

Free education? Once again, there is a price. Do the math.

The DNC's Tom Perez calls it socialism. Bernie says he is a Socialist that caucuses with Democrats. Call it what it is...

When Bernie says some on the left are too extreme, they are planning on going way off the cliff. It ain't gonna go over well at the ballot box. Especially in Flyover America...

Posted by cccp1014 on 7/3/2018 8:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 7/2/2018 7:46:00 PM (view original):
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• Daily Beast: Jill Abramson, Ex-New York Times Editor: The ‘Narcissistic’ NYT Is Making ‘Horrible Mistakes,’ Needs a ‘Course Correction’

• Daily Caller: Liberal Meltdown Over Justice Kennedy Retirement
NRO: Of Course Anthony Kennedy Is Comfortable Letting Trump Pick His Replacement
• Townhall: CNN Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin: ‘Abortion Will Be Illegal in Twenty States in 18 Months’
• Newsweek: Trey Gowdy Explodes at Rod Rosenstein: ‘Finish It the Hell Up Becasue This Country Is Being Torn Apart”
• CBS News: Trump-Putin summit set for Helsinki, Finland on July 16
• CNN: Toobin Says Roe v. Wade Is Doomed Because Trump Won
• The Daily Caller: Comedy Central Writer Wishes Anthony Kennedy Was Shot
• Deadline: Hollywood & Media React To Justice Anthony Kennedy Retiring: “Absorb The Shock, But Respond With Determination”
• ‘Will & Grace’ Star Debra Messing After Justice Kennedy Retirement: ‘Get Ready! The Fight Is On!’
• Socialist Darling Caught Celebrating, Campaigning with Known Anti-Semite and Racist
• Taunton Daily Gazette: It’s time to take back Harvard — Shiva Ayyadurai
• CNBC: Trump heads to Wisconsin to tout a new Foxconn plant
• The Hill: Poll: Americans overwhelmingly oppose sanctuary cities

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You know Doug is passing on malware? Good luck dufus

Posted by tangplay on 7/4/2018 10:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 7/4/2018 8:46:00 AM (view original):
I understand that Liberals, Progressives, Socialists want a peaceful world, everyone to enjoy a comfortable life. No one gets singled out.

But you have to have public policies that are well thought out, and that can be implemented and governed at least somewhat efficiently. They can't break the bank. California's proposed Single Payer would have tripled their annual budget.

America's population in 2060 is estimated to be 400-440 million, a 20-25 percent jump over the current 330 million. We must have an economy and the infrastructure to support it. Open borders, high unemployment, escalating national debt, overstressed federal assistance programs cannot provide adequately.

We have to get our ducks in a row.

There are not enough rich uncles to redistribute wealth to sustain a socialist society. Someone teach Bernie how to do math. Alinsky's ideas will not work here.

Open borders?
High unemployment?
National Debt?
Redistribution of wealth?

I don't think you understand what social democracy is. It isn't socialism.

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I don't know what social democracy is.

I know the difference between social liberals and social conservatives.

I know the difference between fiscal liberals and fiscal conservatives.

I know that socialism embraces tenets of communism and fascism.

I know conservatism doesn't tolerate open borders, high unemployment, national debt or redistribution of wealth.

I don't know what social democracy is. Never heard of it before. Must be new.

Can you explain it to us?

Thank You.

Posted by tangplay on 7/4/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 7/4/2018 1:02:00 PM (view original):
The number of homeless will skyrocket without border enforcement. So will wait times in emergency rooms.

The people fleeing desperate conditions is understandable. But the message must be that they wait their turn to come here, they sign the guest book, they contribute and then become citizens. This isn't a flop house...ask Merkle if she would have done things differently. She created a mess. They are overrun...

What good does it do anyone to just let them in, if they have no access to opportunity, no skills? They will immediately become a burden, and that is not what they seek. It may appeal to a liberal to feel they've done something nice for someone, but it only makes it worse.

1. I don't support completely open borders. I want vetting, and I discourage and want to limit illegal immigration.
2. In social democracy, immigrants would have acess to things like free healthcare and education.

Point #2. What kind of immigrants? Legal or illegal.

Thank You.

P.S. Don't click on my links. They are riddled with malware.

Here's something that just came to mind.

I have never understood the characterization and association of the concept of conservatism and right wing to that of oppression. At least in a representative Republic. I would tend to associate conservatism with the speed and degree of change within ANY political system, rather than tag it as a negative concept in a free society. So it confuses me when I hear these terms tossed about by pundits and politicians more interested in muddy waters than the drinkable ones. Therefore the confusion is intentional whether by ill will or ignorance. It is meant to win an argument rather than define it correctly. And as I am trying to convey, I believe these markers (liberal-conservative) are totally different when applied to different political systems. In this case, a democratic Republic to a socialist regime.

WW2 had 3 verifiable fascist governments. I can't delineate the difference between them as to which one was "conservative" or more "liberal.'

Post WW2 (not including satellite client nations) had 2 giants of communism. Was one conservative and the other liberal?

I can't see it. So I can't answer it. Not at this point.

But I can tell you that conservative presence and nature in a Constitutional Republic as established and written in our country, has no connection with any communist or fascist socialist ideals.

It was a long road...but to compare conservatism in a Republic like ours, to any wing of any party or movement in another organization or country...and applying those terms and concepts of right wing to conservatism.....is apples to oranges.

It's a false start and can only lead to.........confusion.

Posted by DougOut on 7/4/2018 2:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 7/4/2018 10:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 7/4/2018 8:46:00 AM (view original):
I understand that Liberals, Progressives, Socialists want a peaceful world, everyone to enjoy a comfortable life. No one gets singled out.

But you have to have public policies that are well thought out, and that can be implemented and governed at least somewhat efficiently. They can't break the bank. California's proposed Single Payer would have tripled their annual budget.

America's population in 2060 is estimated to be 400-440 million, a 20-25 percent jump over the current 330 million. We must have an economy and the infrastructure to support it. Open borders, high unemployment, escalating national debt, overstressed federal assistance programs cannot provide adequately.

We have to get our ducks in a row.

There are not enough rich uncles to redistribute wealth to sustain a socialist society. Someone teach Bernie how to do math. Alinsky's ideas will not work here.

Open borders?
High unemployment?
National Debt?
Redistribution of wealth?

I don't think you understand what social democracy is. It isn't socialism.

????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I don't know what social democracy is.

I know the difference between social liberals and social conservatives.

I know the difference between fiscal liberals and fiscal conservatives.

I know that socialism embraces tenets of communism and fascism.

I know conservatism doesn't tolerate open borders, high unemployment, national debt or redistribution of wealth.

I don't know what social democracy is. Never heard of it before. Must be new.

Can you explain it to us?

Thank You.

Doug, the difference lies in who owns the means of production...private or public.

Miami, please forgive me. I'm a little slow.

My understanding of private production is Hershey Chocolate inc. Ford Motor co.
My understanding of public production is charity and taxes.

Investment is a totally different matter. It is both governmental and private. As citizens of a sovereign nation, we invest and consider ourselves as partial owners or beneficiaries of our limited term investment.

Our history of production and investment is one of improvement and advancement across the board.

I'm sorry if I didn't get your meaning. Please don't take it the wrong way. I'm sure we're pretty much on the same page.

HAPPY BELATED 4TH!

Posted by DoctorKz on 7/4/2018 1:48:00 PM (view original):
Free health care isn't free. Hospitals and doctors don't operate without adequate funding. There is a price tag, and it would be staggering. Claims of lower prices and better care were BS out of Obama's mouth. He couldn't deliver as advertised.

The proof is in the pudding...

Don't forget, politicians are in it for the vote, not for delivering...is why many voted in a businessman.

You are right. It isn't. However it has been proven that it is better than the alternative.

I will still bet on the private sector to deliver a better product that's affordable. The government is awful at doing anything that meets expectations, and they usually pay more than they should. As I have said before, when did the DMV ever exceed your expectations?

Not only do we get to drive....We get to vote for democrats too! I LOVE THE DMV! Exceeded all my expectations!

;)

The DMV, the VA...you want MORE for the government to mismanage? Your Healthcare? Seriously?