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Posted by bad_luck on 7/11/2018 2:14:00 PM (view original):
So lesson for you, don't call other people dumb if you can't clearly articulate an argument.

When you lose you start getting dirty. You and I both know that Trump has delivered on his primary campaign positions. You are too obtuse to see that, which is fine. However, no one has been “conned” which was your primary post. You are just a sore loser, Capt. Antifa.

I didn't lose. You and I both know that Trump HASN'T delivered on every campaign promise as you claimed.

You voted for him, right? You support him? You were conned.

Trump is an idiot. He doesn't know what he's doing. He's chaotic. He is uninformed. He lacks the brain power to actually deal with complex issues.

But he didn't use a personal email address for work and he says enough bad stuff about brown people to get idiot white people to vote for him.

My vote didn’t matter. I wrote in Tom Brady.

I think you are the 2nd stupidest person on these boards.

If you didn’t vote for him and you don’t support him, he didn’t con you. Why are you offended?

When did I say I was offended? Nothing offends me. I said Your post was offensive to many that did vote for him. I live in a very liberal state like you so my vote is irrelevant either way so I vote for fun.

Another backpedal from the good ole Comrade. He clearly said that the post was offensive to him and now is backtracking again. This is rich!

Not really. I think his exact words were "do you realize how offensive that post is?" or something like that. He never said he was offended.

Correct. Mr. Wylie.

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Yup, typical b_l; site one event and say that proves it's like that all the time.
Maybe it has been, and I'm not looking a bunch of sheit up to prove things either way, but if it has, it shouldn't be, and one example certainly doesn't prove anything. I'd like to think voters consider the full history of what a person has and/or hasn't done, with such a blatant Party move being just one big negative.

Everyone thinks congress sucks except for their own representative. It's crazy. Congress, as a whole, always polls poorly, but the same people are constantly reelected.

I think Congress sucks, including my representative.

Who is your Rep?

I don't even know or care. Whoever he or she is, he or she sucks. All politicians suck.

You re negative

Yes, I admit to being very cynical when it comes to politicians, whatever their party. In order to get anywhere in politics, you need to be a liar. As I have said many times, show me an honest politician and I'll show you an unsuccessful politician. They will all do or say whatever they feel they need to do or say to get elected. That being said, I have voted in every election since I was old enough to vote.

How was Bernie Sanders a liar?

Don't know enough about him to know that, but do you really thought he could get free education passed? Unless he's an idiot, I don't think he thought that would ever come to fruition, but it sounds good to a certain segment of the population. Pretty sure Sanders knew it would never happen.

Free education is fairly simple. Free healthcare isn't. Unless you are referring to college. Anyway, it is well known that all of us SocDems are quite naive, so maybe that is the case for him.

Of course I meant college. we all pay taxes for elementary school and high school, college costs real money.

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What are you talking about?

Build the wall — Happening and we ll see who ultimately pays

Stronger Military — Happening

Lower Corp Taxes — Done

Stronger immigration policies — Happening

Renegotiate Trade Deals — Happening

Supreme Court — Happening

Better relations with Israel — Yes

Lower unemployment — yes

To me those were the primary issues to many voters and he has kept his promises and is only 50% done with his first term. I think you are blinded by pure hatred for the man and anyone who voted for him. The sooner you admit that the better.

You looked over a lot of things.

Also Mexico aint paying for the wall. We are. Sorry but even Trump knows it now.

I listed the primary reasons he won IMO and those he has adhered to. My top 2 were Israel and Military for any candidate.

For most others it was economy, SC, jobs and immigration.

The rest is sundry stuff.

You don't think education, healthcare, civil rights, internal issues like gun violence, foreign policy, environmental affairs, trade, justice system, or anything else is important? OK. Thanks for sharing.

I happen to fundamentally disagree with each and every one of your ideas of what is important. I want to cut the military budget, Israel is just like our other allies to me, I don't think the President can affect the economy in a meaningful way, and I don't think immigration is a super pressing issue.

Maybe the only one I care about is SC but that is based on party lines anyway.

Why are you opining? We are discussing people who voted for DJT. To me the military and Israel were primary concerns you have different concerns and that’s fine.

That was my point. I was just saying that you have attacked me for not supporting Trump and I was explaining my priorities. If those are your priorities, fine, you can support Trump. I disagree with those priorities strongly.

I was talking to bad luck about how he said people who voted for him were “conned”. They weren’t and their priorities are different from yours.

You opined just to opine. Because that is what you do. You are like a parasite.

do you have another reason for opining? Do any of us? Not sure how tangplay voicing an opinion makes him like a parasite. If it does, we are all like parasites, since that is what we are all doing...opining. Although I will say that some people here seem to feel their opinions are actually facts.

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By the way, I've been amazed at how many Trump supporters I have ran into in the northeast.

I have family members here in California who support him. It’s shocking how many people were conned.

These people still speak to you? Do you realize how offensive your post was? You are a terrible human being.

Oh poor snowflake.

Look man, people who fell for trump’s bullshit were conned. That’s my non-politically-correct opinion. He’s a con man. Always has been, always will be.

Love it. Your candidate lost and now all I hear is sour grapes.

Please state what Trump ran on and then see if he has actually stuck to his campaign promises. It would be one thing if he said I want stronger immigration policies and then left things as is or made it easier to sneak in here. He has followed up on every campaign promise as far as I can tell.

Maybe you need to define “conned”. I understand that you disagree with his campaign and his actions but he has not conned anyone.

Stop your whining, little man.

Wasn't he supposed to replace ObamaCare on the first day?

That was a pretty big one.

He tried but the House did not get their stuff together. He did ultimately take away the penalty for not having insurance.

Wait, what? You are wrong on so many levels.

He clearly didn't try on the first day. That's a simple fact. Then he came back with a just awful plan that almost everyone on both isles hated, and he himself didn't truly support. It was ObamaCare but so much worse.

Face it. This was a pretty damn big policy promise that he didn't deliver on.

Paul Ryan and co said they had a better plan and they didn’t and DJT ripped them for it. Nice try, #1. You and I could not be any more different when it comes to what we think our representatives should focus on.

Did you ever end up listening to the Whitlock / Shapiro podcast?

Why does that argument disprove my point? Trump made a promise, and a pretty big one, and he has failed to deliver it. There is no defending that.

I have it sitting on my bookmarks. If you haven't noticed, I have been pretty busy recently so I hope to listen to it soon. It is going to take a lot of courage to listen to ANYTHING Jason Whitlock has to say, but I will try.

Instead of posting drivel listen to it now. For me the military and Israel were #1. So explain to me how I was conned. Since you decided to butt in this debate, finish it.

You weren't conned. I don't think a majority of Trump supporters were conned. I was responding to your argument that Trump has not made a promise that he hasn't fulfilled. For me, the healthcare promise was a big one, and it hasn't come to fruition.

You made my point. Most voted for him because of military, SC and economy and a few for the wall and immigration . I doubt most feel conned. The ACA is a mess and needs an overhaul but the GOP did not have the fix they claimed they have. Don’t forget Congress makes laws.

I am not blaming Trump for not having an ACA replacement. I am blaming Trump for claiming he had an ACA replacement.

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You are seriously going to talk about the dumb Mahomes comments again? You do realize that I was just playing around when I said that? Stop making non-sequiturs and respond to my arguments.

I am just showing the full scope of your insanity. There is so much material to work with. Like you not knowing what an ad hominem was. LOL. Or the difference between a fact and an opinion. You do amuse me.

I know what an ad hominem is, and I agreed with you on fact v opinion?

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Yup, typical b_l; site one event and say that proves it's like that all the time.
Maybe it has been, and I'm not looking a bunch of sheit up to prove things either way, but if it has, it shouldn't be, and one example certainly doesn't prove anything. I'd like to think voters consider the full history of what a person has and/or hasn't done, with such a blatant Party move being just one big negative.

Everyone thinks congress sucks except for their own representative. It's crazy. Congress, as a whole, always polls poorly, but the same people are constantly reelected.

I think Congress sucks, including my representative.

Who is your Rep?

I don't even know or care. Whoever he or she is, he or she sucks. All politicians suck.

You re negative

Yes, I admit to being very cynical when it comes to politicians, whatever their party. In order to get anywhere in politics, you need to be a liar. As I have said many times, show me an honest politician and I'll show you an unsuccessful politician. They will all do or say whatever they feel they need to do or say to get elected. That being said, I have voted in every election since I was old enough to vote.

How was Bernie Sanders a liar?

Don't know enough about him to know that, but do you really thought he could get free education passed? Unless he's an idiot, I don't think he thought that would ever come to fruition, but it sounds good to a certain segment of the population. Pretty sure Sanders knew it would never happen.

Free education is fairly simple. Free healthcare isn't. Unless you are referring to college. Anyway, it is well known that all of us SocDems are quite naive, so maybe that is the case for him.

Of course I meant college. we all pay taxes for elementary school and high school, college costs real money.

yeah, out of all the Sanders proposed policies, free college is the one I support the least. I don't think it is a laughable idea, but it is the least necessary in my eyes.

I think anyone saying Trump conned voters into voting for him is totally delusional. Trump is now, what he was before, and pretty much what most people expected (and some greatly wanted) him to be. He is working on the policies he stated he would work on. (His success can be viewed different depending on your Party and/or objectivity.) Also remember that he probably got as many anti-HRC votes as he did votes for himself, and he certainly is still is no HRC. If anyone thought Trump was going to suddenly get "Presidential" and 100% PC, that's on THEM, not Trump or those who voted for him.

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I think anyone saying Trumped conned voters into voting for him is a totally delusional idiot. Trump is now, exactly what people expected him to be, and is working on the policies he stated he would work on. (His success can be viewed different depending on your Party and/or objectivity.) Also remember that he probably got as many anti-HRC votes as he did for himself, and he certainly is still is no HRC. If anyone thought Trump was going to suddenly get "Presidential" and 100% PC, that's on THEM, not Trump.

If you voted for Trump expecting him to bring back high-paying, union manufacturing jobs, you were conned.

If you voted for Trump expecting him to revive coal jobs, you were conned.

If you voted for Trump because you thought he was a smart businessman who could make great deals and really put America first, you were conned.

If you voted for Trump because you thought he'd make Mexico pay for the wall, you were conned.

If you voted for Trump because you thought he was less corrupt and less criminal than Clinton, you were conned.

But, if you voted for Trump because you like the racist things he says or the misogynistic things he says or that he likes to cause chaos and works to destroy the free press, then no, you weren't conned. You're just an moron.

You are certainly allowed to have your opinion on all those things, even if they are as totally wrong and misinformed as just about every one of your opinions.
Tell us again about the 99% tax bracket and the left-handed 2nd basemen. (Two of your "better" opinions.)

Posted by all3 on 7/12/2018 11:41:00 AM (view original):
You are certainly allowed to have your opinion on all those things, even if they are as totally wrong and misinformed as just about every one of your opinions.
Tell us again about the 99% tax bracket and the left-handed 2nd basemen. (Two of your "better" opinions.)

Those opinions aren't wrong. Coal jobs aren't coming back. Mostly because coal jobs were automated away, but also because coal isn't a great energy source. And the admin certainly isn't doing anything to encourage high-paying, union manufacturing jobs. But those facts didn't stop Trump from making those promises and people in the rust belt voted for him because of those promises. They were conned.

Taxing income above a certain amount ($10M was an example, we could go to $20M or whatever) at 99% stops the massive accumulation of wealth at the very top of the economic pyramid.

I've never argued about a left handed second baseman.

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What are you talking about?

Build the wall — Happening and we ll see who ultimately pays

Stronger Military — Happening

Lower Corp Taxes — Done

Stronger immigration policies — Happening

Renegotiate Trade Deals — Happening

Supreme Court — Happening

Better relations with Israel — Yes

Lower unemployment — yes

To me those were the primary issues to many voters and he has kept his promises and is only 50% done with his first term. I think you are blinded by pure hatred for the man and anyone who voted for him. The sooner you admit that the better.

You looked over a lot of things.

Also Mexico aint paying for the wall. We are. Sorry but even Trump knows it now.

I listed the primary reasons he won IMO and those he has adhered to. My top 2 were Israel and Military for any candidate.

For most others it was economy, SC, jobs and immigration.

The rest is sundry stuff.

You don't think education, healthcare, civil rights, internal issues like gun violence, foreign policy, environmental affairs, trade, justice system, or anything else is important? OK. Thanks for sharing.

I happen to fundamentally disagree with each and every one of your ideas of what is important. I want to cut the military budget, Israel is just like our other allies to me, I don't think the President can affect the economy in a meaningful way, and I don't think immigration is a super pressing issue.

Maybe the only one I care about is SC but that is based on party lines anyway.

Why are you opining? We are discussing people who voted for DJT. To me the military and Israel were primary concerns you have different concerns and that’s fine.

That was my point. I was just saying that you have attacked me for not supporting Trump and I was explaining my priorities. If those are your priorities, fine, you can support Trump. I disagree with those priorities strongly.

I was talking to bad luck about how he said people who voted for him were “conned”. They weren’t and their priorities are different from yours.

You opined just to opine. Because that is what you do. You are like a parasite.

do you have another reason for opining? Do any of us? Not sure how tangplay voicing an opinion makes him like a parasite. If it does, we are all like parasites, since that is what we are all doing...opining. Although I will say that some people here seem to feel their opinions are actually facts.

If he opined on people being conned it would have been fine but he went completely into left field.

I believe he said that trump supporters were conned. That would obviously be an opinion, since there's no way to prove that.

Posted by all3 on 7/12/2018 11:41:00 AM (view original):
You are certainly allowed to have your opinion on all those things, even if they are as totally wrong and misinformed as just about every one of your opinions.
Tell us again about the 99% tax bracket and the left-handed 2nd basemen. (Two of your "better" opinions.)

opinions can not be wrong. they are opinions. YOU may think they are wrong, but that's just an opinion.

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Posted by all3 on 7/12/2018 11:41:00 AM (view original):
You are certainly allowed to have your opinion on all those things, even if they are as totally wrong and misinformed as just about every one of your opinions.
Tell us again about the 99% tax bracket and the left-handed 2nd basemen. (Two of your "better" opinions.)

opinions can not be wrong. they are opinions. YOU may think they are wrong, but that's just an opinion.

Why do you get-off on trying to play Mr. Know-it-All in everybody else's exchanges? We've already had this discussion when you jumped in before. If any opinion is based on incorrect or flawed information or reasoning, then yes, the opinion can be incorrect.

I believe the sky is brown with black stripes. That's an opinion and it's wrong. Even if the sky truly looks brown with black stripes to that one person, it certainly isn't.