Posted by Benis on 1/3/2020 4:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/3/2020 4:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by kcsundevil on 1/3/2020 3:19:00 PM (view original):
My guess is the windfall is only triggered when someone else applies for the job you're trying to return to.

But if you set up an alt account in D3, you can apply for the job under both accounts, triggering a "competition," however brief.

i actually think this is wrong - i think its irrelevant if a 2nd coach applies. you just have to get the job back through jobs.

note: this is based on nothing except for the way you explain it making no sense to my programmer sensibilities.

No, it only works if someone else applies.

is anything else different? as far as i know, there is no difference in the process, mechanics, anything - of applying for a job and getting it solo or in a battle.

you have me wondering now, i feel like your comment has me half remembering something where a coach gets the job back if he applies quickly enough, after forgetting to renew? is that a thing?

Yes as long as no one has applied for the job, you can automatically get it back. But like in my case someone else had already applied by the time I realized I did not renew. So I had to compete to get UNC vs the person/people who applied.

There is no waiting for the first cycle of job processing, you just click the button and you are back to your team.

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/3/2020 8:05:00 PM (view original):
does it happen at high d1? i feel like that would move the needle...

That's actually the only place it can be done safely.

A few of us in the A10 suspected at least one coach several seasons back. I believe it was a Phelan Big East coach.

One of our guys ended up messaging them since their job seemed to come open briefly every off-season. I don't believe it has happened since then.

Maybe some people are genuinely that forgetful, but the game has auto-renew...

Posted by indiansrck27 on 1/3/2020 8:35:00 PM (view original):
There is no waiting for the first cycle of job processing, you just click the button and you are back to your team.

thanks! i forgot they changed that at some point. is it only the first cycle, or is it as long as nobody takes them back?

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/4/2020 2:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by indiansrck27 on 1/3/2020 8:35:00 PM (view original):
There is no waiting for the first cycle of job processing, you just click the button and you are back to your team.

thanks! i forgot they changed that at some point. is it only the first cycle, or is it as long as nobody takes them back?

As long as nobody else applies, you can return to your abandoned team at any point over the three days, no waiting.

As soon as someone else applies, you must compete to win your job back. The system gives you several cycles to enter that competition before your team transfers to the new guy.

ah, ok. that makes sense then, sounds like i was most certainly wrong. seems like a flaw in the strategy so to speak, having to wait and hope someone else applies, that at least makes it a bit more palatable. at least you can't count on it working every time.

Posted by dillon_b12 on 1/3/2020 10:40:00 PM (view original):
A few of us in the A10 suspected at least one coach several seasons back. I believe it was a Phelan Big East coach.

One of our guys ended up messaging them since their job seemed to come open briefly every off-season. I don't believe it has happened since then.

Maybe some people are genuinely that forgetful, but the game has auto-renew...

Do you mean the private chat for the A10 in Phelan?

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/4/2020 2:51:00 PM (view original):
ah, ok. that makes sense then, sounds like i was most certainly wrong. seems like a flaw in the strategy so to speak, having to wait and hope someone else applies, that at least makes it a bit more palatable. at least you can't count on it working every time.

Well, yeah, unless you have two accounts in the world.

Posted by kcsundevil on 1/4/2020 3:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 1/4/2020 2:51:00 PM (view original):
ah, ok. that makes sense then, sounds like i was most certainly wrong. seems like a flaw in the strategy so to speak, having to wait and hope someone else applies, that at least makes it a bit more palatable. at least you can't count on it working every time.

Well, yeah, unless you have two accounts in the world.

well, that also crosses the line from a gray area (glitch exploitation) to unquestionable cheating. cheaters are gonna cheat and its fine to leave some of that to community policing, but its seble's job to keep that gray area neat and tidy.

all i think he really needs to do is put down a ruling that repeated exploitation of that glitch is cheating. i think you know that d2 school, i kinda think it was you showed me in the first place - would you mind reminding me? via sitemail even? its not about getting the guy in trouble, hes not breaking any rules. its more about having an example handy.

seble is usually pretty good about fixing these glitches. coming from that developer world, a huge part is how they are reported, and i tend to have really good luck getting these things resolved in this game and others. seble just fixed an infinite free visit 'glitch' for me a couple months ago without any back and forth. if you can hook me up with an example or two, i'll put in a ticket, worst that happens is i get the same bullshit answer indian got.

seble has repeatedly said it isn't a glitch and it isn't cheating, so people exploiting this are doing it under the premise of it being OK.

He's clearly wrong, but he's addressed this and it's over. It's fun to laugh at how wrong he is, but I won't be narcing on specific users who're using a strategy seble has approved, dirty as it is.

do you have a ticket where he says that? what i read in his response to indian is 'its an edge case' not 'go ahead and exploit it that's fine', which to me are totally different.

there's an endless history of HD tickets being taken further than they were intended, or the admins saying something they didn't really mean, and large amounts of confusion ensuing. i feel like in this case, we'd need to see the ticket that verbatim says it is ok for folks to exploit this glitch and its not cheating. i'm skeptical it exists, but i certainly have no proof to the contrary.

besides, if its not cheating, its not narcing...

Hi,

This isn't a bug, but by design, so that a new coach isn't handicapped by the previous coach overspending in the first recruiting session. It's really only an issue in the rare case that you've just gone through. The only thing we could really do is reset everything related to recruiting (including any built up interest) when a new coach comes aboard. Thanks.

Thanks for playing on WhatIfSports.

This is the ticket indians posted on the previous page. It isn't vague. seble's dead wrong about the "rare case" bit, he seems to simply not understand that this is being exploited regularly, but it's not worth beating our heads against the wall.

Posted by kcsundevil on 1/3/2020 5:23:00 PM (view original):
Just get people to start taking note of high prestige D1 coaches who repeatedly "forget to renew," then only reclaim their job after the first cycle has passed. It's an easy pattern to spot.

The system tells "forgetful" coaches whether anyone else has applied for their team, so they'll know when they have to jump back in. Seble is right, he designed it to be easily abused.

also, wouldn't the pattern need to be that the coach in question doesn't get the job back until jobs period day 2? this might have changed as well, but if i recall correctly, you can't get a job on day 1 in a competition - it gives people at least that whole first day to apply, before anyone is awarded the job.

i recall many coaches forgot to renew before the auto renew feature was added, but i still see it occasionally (definitely feels like less but i have small sample size in 3.0 still). but it felt like most realized pretty quickly when they went to log in and their team wasn't there. im guessing a lot of those 'oops i forgot' guys get their job back that first day uncontested, and it really rare for coaches to consistently 'forget to renew' and also 'not notice it for a while'. seems like very few legit cases of that.