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Donald J. Trump on Sunday seized on the mass shooting at a gay club in Orlando, reiterating his controversial call for a temporary ban on Muslim migration to the United States and criticizing Hillary Clinton for what he claimed was her desire to “dramatically increase admissions from the Middle East.”

In a demonstration of his willingness to flout convention and engage in a style of demagogic politics rarely displayed by a presidential nominee, Mr. Trump claimed he had warned of the sort of terrorism that marked the shooting, which killed 50 and was the worst in the country’s history.

“I said this was going to happen — and it is only going to get worse,” Mr. Trump said in a statement, arguing that Mrs. Clinton’s presidency would mean “hundreds of thousands” more Middle East migrants.

“And we will have no way to screen them, pay for them, or prevent the second generation from radicalizing,” said Mr. Trump, the presumptive Republican standard-bearer.

6/12/2016 10:16 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 6/12/2016 9:02:00 PM (view original):
What laws did this shooter break prior to the killing last night?
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6/12/2016 10:30 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 6/12/2016 10:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/12/2016 9:02:00 PM (view original):
What laws did this shooter break prior to the killing last night?
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Why does this matter? Should we excuse his one-time transgression if he's otherwise been a model citizen? I believe the point being made is that one candidate has made a proposal that may very well have kept him out of the Country all together. Too bad, so sad for those who are model citizens, but I'd rather keep out a million model citizens than let in one lunatic. You?
6/12/2016 10:38 PM
Um...he was born here.
6/12/2016 10:50 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 6/12/2016 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Um...he was born here.
Please do not let the facts get in the way of their spin.
6/12/2016 10:53 PM
Posted by RCBracco on 6/12/2016 10:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 6/12/2016 10:50:00 PM (view original):
Um...he was born here.
Please do not let the facts get in the way of their spin.

Donald J. Trump on Sunday seized on the mass shooting at a gay club in Orlando, reiterating his controversial call for a temporary ban on Muslim migration to the United States and criticizing Hillary Clinton for what he claimed was her desire to “dramatically increase admissions from the Middle East.”

In a demonstration of his willingness to flout convention and engage in a style of demagogic politics rarely displayed by a presidential nominee, Mr. Trump claimed he had warned of the sort of terrorism that marked the shooting, which killed 50 and was the worst in the country’s history.

“I said this was going to happen — and it is only going to get worse,” Mr. Trump said in a statement, arguing that Mrs. Clinton’s presidency would mean “hundreds of thousands” more Middle East migrants.

“And we will have no way to screen them, pay for them, or prevent the second generation from radicalizing,” said Mr. Trump, the presumptive Republican standard-bearer.

6/12/2016 10:56 PM
Not sure how a ban would have kept out someone born here.

But, you know, Trump and his supporters are morons.
6/12/2016 11:06 PM
Moy just proved your point.
6/12/2016 11:10 PM
I think (hope) we all favor legislation to crack down on the sale of assault weapons, but be realistic. There's nothing that the government can do to prevent somebody from getting a gun and shooting a bunch of innocent people -- too many guns already out there, available. Chicago has some of the strongest anti-gun laws in the country and it has a murder rate comparable to Baghdad.

There are some countries that have certain anti-terrorism laws that are more stringent than ours. England has an incredibly low standard for putting somebody under house-arrest for terrorism-related sentiments and activities.

This all comes down to the question of criminalizing membership. It's been a legal issue in this country for 100 years, going back to the Palmer Raids.
6/12/2016 11:19 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 6/12/2016 11:06:00 PM (view original):
Not sure how a ban would have kept out someone born here.

But, you know, Trump and his supporters are morons.

What are some key signs of decline?

What are some common features of an empire's culture in its declining period? Glubb describes developments like these:

1. Rampant sexual immorality, an aversion to marriage in favor of “living together” and an increased divorce rate all combine to undermine family stability. This happened among the upper class in the late Roman Republic and early Empire. The first-century writer Seneca once complained about Roman upper-class women: “They divorce in order to re-marry. They marry in order to divorce.”

The birthrate declines, and abortion and infanticide both increase as family size is deliberately limited. The historian W.H.McNeill has referred to the “biological suicide of the Roman upper classes” as one reason for Rome's decline. Homosexuality becomes publicly acceptable and spreads, as was the case among the ancient Greeks before Rome conquered them.

2. Many foreign immigrants settle in the empire's capital and major cities. The mixture of ethnic groups in close proximity in these cosmopolitan places inevitably produces conflicts.

Because of their prominent locations within the empire, their influence greatly exceeds their percentage of the population. Here diversity plainly leads to divisiveness.

We see this today in the growing conflict in European countries such as France and the Netherlands, where large numbers of immigrants are stoking violent cultural clashes. German chancellor Angela Merkel recently made headlines when she stated that attempts to create a multicultural society had “utterly failed” and immigrants must do more to integrate into society.

3. Both irresponsible pleasure-seeking and pessimism increase among the people and their leaders. The spirit described in 1 Corinthians 15:32 spreads throughout society: “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!”

As people cynically give up looking for solutions to the problems of life and society, they drop out of the system. They then turn to mindless entertainment, to luxuries and sexual activity, and to drugs or alcohol.

The astonishingly corrupt and lavish parties of the Roman Empire's elite are a case in point. The Emperor Nero, for instance, would spend the modern equivalent of $500,000 for just the flowers at some banquets.

4. The government provides extensive welfare for the poor. In the case of the city of Rome, which had perhaps 1.2 million people around A.D. 170, government-provided “bread and circuses” (food and entertainment) helped to keep the masses content. About one half of its non-slave population was on the dole at least part of the year.

True, helping the poor shows Christian compassion (Mark 14:7). But such help also can lead to laziness and dependency (2 Thessalonians 3:10-12). Such problems are especially likely when the poor believe state-provided charity is a permanent right or entitlement.

6/12/2016 11:26 PM
For BL.... point #2^^^

Hillary wants 65,000 more refugees coming to this country. If we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.
6/12/2016 11:27 PM
TRUMP WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. HILLARY WILL CONTINUE THE DECLINE OF THIS GREAT NATION.
6/12/2016 11:29 PM
The FBI is overwhelmed and can't keep up will checking foreign visas, or gun background checks for that matter. A temporary ban on issuing new Muslim visas wound give them much needed relief until Congress gets their heads out of their ***** and can come up with a solution to keep America safe. Trumps idea.... But hey ... liberals think.... 'that's racist'

http://www.deonvsearth.com/fbi-director-agency-overwhelmed-by-rapid-muslim-immigration-to-us-video/
6/12/2016 11:52 PM (edited)
So none of Trump's ideas would have prevented this?

Got it.
6/13/2016 12:09 AM
Moy, you forgot to also hit them with the fact that DHS does not even keep track of the foreign student visas it issues people. Inexcusable.

And ******* RIGHT Trump can fix a lot of this. Comey is a highly capable FBI Director. Obama originally wanted to nominate Jamie Gorelick, who ran either Fannie May or Freddie Mac (I forget which) when they went under. The political backlash was so strong that the attempt to install Gorelick was dropped.
6/13/2016 12:42 AM (edited)
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