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Quote: Originally Posted By jimrome76 on 1/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 1/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By jimrome76 on 1/04/2010
What about those of us that spent season after season building a team based primarily around power which is now far less valuable? How is this update fair for me? Honestly unless I get some sort of credit or financial compensation I most likely will not be back because the lineup I worked so hard to build will not be successfull in this new system.
You have to be effing kidding me.

You built a one-dimensional team, and now you want MONEY because your team isn't more well-rounded?

What a joke.




You need to learn a thing or two about reading comprehension. Seriously. Being one dimensional or well rounded has nothing to do with it. I I built a team that was quite competitive under the rules at the time and then WIS changed the rules in such a drastic way that my team most likely wont be nearly as good or as valuable because of the rules change. How is that a joke? They pulled the rug out from under me. I was successfull in the old ratings system. They made the changes not me.


Which part of "simulation" do you not understand? Did you really think that playing a field full fo Dave Kingmans was a viable simulation of Major League Baseball? This may be difficult to comprehend in your narrow world view, but this change was not put into place to screw you specifcally. Every team has had players adversely affected by the change. Deal with it -- others are. If you can't handle the change, quit now and save your whining for someone who might care.
1/4/2010 11:33 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/04/2010I built pitching staffs based on the old DUR/STM engine. The change was just as drastic. I had 4 teams, with many players on long-term deals, at the time. You adapt. WifS has never said "We will never change the game engine."
I totally understand that but from what ive seen so far apart from the SB fiasco this is the most drastic change we have seen, far too drastic in my opinion. Another issue is the fact that it doesnt seem like a balanced update, if you had an offensive style team you stand to lose more than someone who had a pitching heavy team which is the main thing that ****** me off.
1/4/2010 11:33 AM
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My understanding has always been that games like these are "fluid". They are constantly evolving to mirror what they are trying to simulate to the best of their abilities. I know it happens, but it amazes that mature adults react the way the above poster has. Common sense might dictate that with the overall decrease in insanely high single-season HR totals in MLB, they might be some adjustment made in HBD to the already insanely high HR totals. While I agree the implementation may seem imperfect in places, I don't see why there is much surprise (and uproar) when updates like these occur. Much less why anyone would quit over it...
1/4/2010 11:35 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jimrome76 on 1/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 1/04/2010
I built pitching staffs based on the old DUR/STM engine. The change was just as drastic. I had 4 teams, with many players on long-term deals, at the time. You adapt. WifS has never said "We will never change the game engine."
I totally understand that but from what ive seen so far apart from the SB fiasco this is the most drastic change we have seen, far too drastic in my opinion. Another issue is the fact that it doesnt seem like a balanced update, if you had an offensive style team you stand to lose more than someone who had a pitching heavy team which is the main thing that ****** me off


And, if/when they change the pitching engine AGAIN, the pitching heavy teams will be the most affected.
1/4/2010 11:38 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By cjlancaster on 1/04/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By jimrome76 on 1/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 1/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By jimrome76 on 1/04/2010
What about those of us that spent season after season building a team based primarily around power which is now far less valuable? How is this update fair for me? Honestly unless I get some sort of credit or financial compensation I most likely will not be back because the lineup I worked so hard to build will not be successfull in this new system.
You have to be effing kidding me.

You built a one-dimensional team, and now you want MONEY because your team isn't more well-rounded?

What a joke.




You need to learn a thing or two about reading comprehension. Seriously. Being one dimensional or well rounded has nothing to do with it. I I built a team that was quite competitive under the rules at the time and then WIS changed the rules in such a drastic way that my team most likely wont be nearly as good or as valuable because of the rules change. How is that a joke? They pulled the rug out from under me. I was successfull in the old ratings system. They made the changes not me.



Which part of "simulation" do you not understand? Did you really think that playing a field full fo Dave Kingmans was a viable simulation of Major League Baseball? This may be difficult to comprehend in your narrow world view, but this change was not put into place to screw you specifcally. Every team has had players adversely affected by the change. Deal with it -- others are. If you can't handle the change, quit now and save your whining for someone who might care.
Its not screwing me specifically, its screwing those of us who built power teams more than those of you who built pitching heavy teams, that is the issue I have.
1/4/2010 11:40 AM
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And, if/when they change the pitching engine AGAIN, the pitching heavy teams will be the most affected.
1/4/2010 11:45 AM
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Loopholes exist. People take advantage of them and never complain until the loophole is closed. Then they claim it isn't the loophole that allowed their guys to be better than they were supposed to be that's unfair, it's fixing it that's unfair.
1/4/2010 11:50 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By jimrome76 on 1/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 1/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By jimrome76 on 1/04/2010
What about those of us that spent season after season building a team based primarily around power which is now far less valuable? How is this update fair for me? Honestly unless I get some sort of credit or financial compensation I most likely will not be back because the lineup I worked so hard to build will not be successfull in this new system.
You have to be effing kidding me.

You built a one-dimensional team, and now you want MONEY because your team isn't more well-rounded?

What a joke.




You need to learn a thing or two about reading comprehension. Seriously. Being one dimensional or well rounded has nothing to do with it. I I built a team that was quite competitive under the rules at the time and then WIS changed the rules in such a drastic way that my team most likely wont be nearly as good or as valuable because of the rules change. How is that a joke? They pulled the rug out from under me. I was successfull in the old ratings system. They made the changes not me.
What am I missing?

You built a team around what they believed was a flaw in the engine.

They changed the engine to fix said flaw.

Now you want money???

Be serious.

If anything, your team probably contributed to the changes, since you were overloading with power bats, ruining the macro-scale stats that they use to check whether things are "performing as expected".
1/4/2010 11:54 AM
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i want $
1/4/2010 11:55 AM
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Gimme Some Money (Spinal Tap)

Stop wasting my time
You know what I want
You know what I need
Or maybe you don't
Do I have to come right
Flat out and tell you everything?

Gimme some money
Gimme sone money

I'm nobody's fool
I'm nobody's clown
I'm treating you cool
I'm putting you down
But baby I don't intend to leave empty handed

Gimme some money
Gimme some money

Don't get me wrong
Try getting me right
Your face is ok but your purse is too tight

I'm looking for pound notes
Loose change
Bad checks, anything

Gimme some money
Gimme some money
1/4/2010 12:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hartjh14 on 1/04/2010
Really? Playing with the engine to get the statistical numbers they want instead of addressing why people are playing power hitters over defensive players is getting it right? I think it's the lazy way out of a problem.
Yeah, they should have adjusted people's heads instead of the game.

Wait a minute, is that right?

I want $ too.
1/4/2010 12:10 PM
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So because they have screwed other people in the past (it is debatable if anyone has ever been screwed to the degree this update did) that this isnt really being screwed?

1/4/2010 12:40 PM
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No, it isn't. As mentioned 20 page ago, almost everyone knew that the 22/95/37/41/90 players were overperforming. Those are the players that took the biggest hit. Everyone should have known that, sooner or later, WifS would correct this flaw.

I asked before and no one answered. Would you consider a 95/22/37/41/90 player a BL player if he was slow and just barely qualified as a LF?
1/4/2010 12:43 PM
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There is a new message about the update labeled HRs. I have read it.

I will defer any future complaints about the update until my current season in Kaline (league just started, not even to Free agent phase) is about 1/3 of the way over.

I will admit it is possible that I overreacted. I will of course change my way of rating batters in the future.
1/4/2010 12:44 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 1/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By jimrome76 on 1/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By iain on 1/04/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By jimrome76 on 1/04/2010
What about those of us that spent season after season building a team based primarily around power which is now far less valuable? How is this update fair for me? Honestly unless I get some sort of credit or financial compensation I most likely will not be back because the lineup I worked so hard to build will not be successfull in this new system.
You have to be effing kidding me.

You built a one-dimensional team, and now you want MONEY because your team isn't more well-rounded?

What a joke.




You need to learn a thing or two about reading comprehension. Seriously. Being one dimensional or well rounded has nothing to do with it. I I built a team that was quite competitive under the rules at the time and then WIS changed the rules in such a drastic way that my team most likely wont be nearly as good or as valuable because of the rules change. How is that a joke? They pulled the rug out from under me. I was successfull in the old ratings system. They made the changes not me.
What am I missing?

You built a team around what they believed was a flaw in the engine.

They changed the engine to fix said flaw.

Now you want money???

Be serious.

If anything, your team probably contributed to the changes, since you were overloading with power bats, ruining the macro-scale stats that they use to check whether things are "performing as expected".

Who's fault is that? How would I know there was a flaw in the engine? How am I supposed to know what they expect the stats to be? Am I supposed to know that this was going to happen 3 seasons ago? I played by the rules that were in place. Im not even against this change I just think if they are going to do something this drastic they should break it up into pieces so it doesnt have such a large impact immediately. Why couldnt they implement it in segments? Back to my original point that you dont seem to understand....my issue with this is that it is more damaging to people with offensive teams. I will have to adjust more than a team that chose to be pitching heavy. Ive wasted 3 or 4 years planning for a strategy that is suddenly less likely to be successfull. Also dont want you all to think im running a lineup of Dave Kingmans b/c im not, go look for yourself but most of my power hitters have good splits, I dont think I even have a starter of the 30-90-40-40-80 mold some of you are speaking of.
1/4/2010 12:48 PM
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