Posted by copernicus on 5/27/2020 5:30:00 PM (view original):
Ray has that one season w superior rebounds and assists I think?

That's true... most draft leagues ARE one season, and he does have that one season that is absolutely superior in both of those ways. Good bring-up on your part.

Posted by ashamael on 5/27/2020 5:29:00 PM (view original):
Hot take: Reggie Miller is better in almost every area than Ray Allen but Ray Allen is consistently drafted over him.

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Posted by ashamael on 5/27/2020 5:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 5/27/2020 5:30:00 PM (view original):
Ray has that one season w superior rebounds and assists I think?

That's true... most draft leagues ARE one season, and he does have that one season that is absolutely superior in both of those ways. Good bring-up on your part.

Actually Ray's pretty consistently better on the boards than him.

Posted by copernicus on 5/27/2020 5:30:00 PM (view original):
Ray has that one season w superior rebounds and assists I think?

And this.

But for 5 seasons? Reggie has at least 7 great seasons to choose from. His rebounds are horrible, defense mediocre to bad, assists meh. But efg% 3's, usage, TOV, and minutes? Outstanding. Great pick at this point.

I feel extremely confident that amerk is going to pick the guy I very much want, and all my backups don't make me super happy.

On value Reggie was number one on my board for a while

I'm a biased Pacers/Reggie fan, to get that out of the way. I think Reggie is one of the best complimentary guys out there. He's only great at 3s/eFG%, but he doesn't kill you with TOs and fouls. If he's one of your top-2 guys, you're sunk. If he's your 4th best guy, great. I'd take him over Ray, who I also like, in almost any situation. The one exception might be if it's a single-season, I need 3s/SG min, it's already rd 4 or 5, and they're both available. Ray's one great season makes him the obvious choice. As was mentioned though, Ray usually goes earlier. Let someone draft him rd 3-4, get another position filled, grab Reggie in 4-5.

Reggie was definitely ahead of Allen for me in this league. He was on my list of sgs to take in round 4 before I had my amare blowup. I would have loved having him and billups shooting 40%+ from 3 every season to go with Kareem.

I’m still shocked one guy is still out there. I almost took him on the 3/4 turn. Gonna be amazing value for whoever lands him.

I would almost always take Ray over Reggie. The rebounding edge is decent, but when I have low defense players, I really value positional versatility so I can hid them on weaker offensive players, and Ray is viable with position effectiveness at 3 positions almost his entire career while Reggie is only twice. I agree that Reggie has some superior numbers in some important categories and that nuance is pretty specific to me, but it is why I have drafted Ray over Reggie in the past.

Posted by dh555 on 5/27/2020 5:49:00 PM (view original):
I’m still shocked one guy is still out there. I almost took him on the 3/4 turn. Gonna be amazing value for whoever lands him.

Me too but not sure we're thinking of the same guy - the one I'm thinking of is a big guy

Reggie gets to the line better but....?

14. pharrop - Larry Bird, Marcus Camby, Robert Parish, Jrue Holiday, Andrew Bynum - This might not be the first, but it's the first blatantly obvious time an owner has drafted a rotation guy above a starter. That's not to say it's a bad strategy - not commenting on that at all! - just the observation that unless pharrop is going to do some weird oop ****, he has a jump on one of the stronger front-line possibilities in this draft. It's an interesting strategy & risk, though I'm not sure how much risk is actually at play here. So let's talk about Bynum. He's all over the place with minutes, but he's generally a tier 3 or 4 usage center with generally excellent efg%, average defense, solid boards, and solid tov%. I like what you could be doing with him, Parish, and Camby. I thought Bynum was probably one of the better first-front court back up options, and you scooped him up before any of the boys at the beginning of the draft could hop on it. For that, I thank you.

15. robusk - Artis Gilmore, Kawhi Leonard, Al Horford, Eric Bledsoe, Gerald Wallace - Yuck. And I mean that with the utmost respect, because I am not saying yuck at the pick; I'm saying yuck in regards to scoring at the wing against you. Defense? check. Solid usg+efg? check. Solid dreb? Check. Solid tov? Check. Some might think you're hurting a bit on offensive boards, but I also am not the believer in them that I used to be. This is a team I don't want to play 8 times a season.

16. amerk1180 - Tim Duncan, Dikembe Mutombo, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, George Gervin - ah, the Iceman. They called him that because he was such ... a ... defensive ... ... stopper ... ... ...

Sorry, can't help but make fun of WIS a little when it comes to some people's defensive ratings.

He gives a nice usg+efg+def combo, but defensive boards are pretty sub-par for a SF. Fortunately, you have a bunch of those with Duncan, Mutombo, and Rondo already in tow.

17. mptrey - Magic Johnson, Kevin McHale, Manu Ginobili, Joakim Noah, Andrew Bogut - Bogut is an interesting guy. He has a couple of nicer seasons where he's in the tier3/4 usage range, and then he has some really nice partial seasons where he's a tier 5/tier6 guy. All of them are pretty stout when it comes to rebounding. The higher usage ones are decent tov%, while the lower usage ones are really bad tov%. He was a dude I was heavily considering and would have been overjoyed to have in my front court rotation.

18. 20ks - Kevin Garnett, Karl Anthony Towns, Draymond Green, Anfernee Hardaway, Reggie Miller - I already stated my love for Reggie, as he gives you great usg+efg with a decent ast%, low tov% and high fouled%. Doesn't do **** for you on the boards, and is not good defensively, but he's one of the top 5 high usage bombers in this format, I think, and at least as good if not superior to Ray Allen in this format who went way earlier. You've got threes for days with this squad, something a lot of teams are missing.

Jerry West might be Harden’s backup, he might start next to him, he might be the back up at both guard spots...between the 5 seasons he’ll probably do all 3. Not sure what I’ll do with him, but he’s got 5 good seasons of great D, good scoring and decent-to-good passing with lots of minutes.

12. dbkc - James Harden, Rudy Gobert, Alonzo Mourning, Donyell Marshall, Jerry West - honestly, 7 or 8 other owners should have taken Jerry West before now, but here he finally goes. Absolutely solid usg+efg+def+ast combo with several good seasons to choose from. Doesn't help you on the boards or in the tov game (which could be real bad since you also have Harden out there) but it looks pretty solid to me. I kind of thought you'd go for a lower usg guy though since Harden's usg is so ridiculously high & Mourning is up there as well.

13. ysw128 - Deandre Jordan, Andre Drummond, Kobe Bryant, Maurice Cheeks, Adrian Dantley - I am big on Dantley in progs. I don't really like him on this team, but at least his rebounding isn't going to hurt you. He's pretty bad defensively though, and is very midrange heavy... but his usg+efg (and fouled%) is dreamy! Tov% ain't bad either for a guy who did most of his damage in the 80s.