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2/20/2008 5:59 PM
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putting ball in play is > striking out
2/20/2008 6:00 PM
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No, it's very accurate. I know bosuxbill is a Pats fan who hopped on the Sux bandwagon in '04. So the fact that he knows little of baseball is no shocker. I don't have that sort of info on you but I'm assuming you're new to the game of baseball.
2/20/2008 6:00 PM
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It's the standard fallback of the "NO! My daddy taught me, and I'll not be taught otherwise" crowd.
"Yer fancy maths, you pinheads!", "Hahaha, nerds!" etc
Often ridiculed, for instance, at firejoemorgan.com. And in the real world, as well.
2/20/2008 6:00 PM
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You'd think the fact that mrsdanny is agreeing with him would clue him in.
2/20/2008 6:01 PM
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I thought bosoxbill was related to Eddie Gaedel...
2/20/2008 6:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008

No, it's very accurate. I know bosuxbill is a Pats fan who hopped on the Sux bandwagon in '04. So the fact that he knows little of baseball is no shocker. I don't have that sort of info on you but I'm assuming you're new to the game of baseball.
I picked the bosoxbill name in.... (check my profile) ... member since Aug 2002.
Lies on lies.
2/20/2008 6:03 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008
No, it's very accurate. I know bosuxbill is a Pats fan who hopped on the Sux bandwagon in '04. So the fact that he knows little of baseball is no shocker.
Well I'll concede that point.

But the whole anyone who knows anything about baseball BS argument doesn't fly.

We didn't make this sh*t up. I wish I did...I'd attach it to my resume and try to get a job with a team.

It's very simple (and after this I'm done, 60+ pages is enough). Yes, it is better to make contact. No one is suggesting you shouldn't try to hit the ball out of fear of the double play. But they are the downside to making a lot of contact. And they are bad enough to offset any gain you make from putting a lot of outs in play.

2/20/2008 6:10 PM
mrdanielx
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Good things that happen when you put the ball in play:

Reach on error, advance runner, Sac Fly, RBI fielders choice.

Good things that happen when you strike out:

Reach first on a dropped strike 3.

Bad things that happen when you put the ball in play:

Double Play, Triple Play, Fly Out, Ground Out

Bad things that happen when you strike out

Its always bad.


Therefore:

Putting ball in play > Striking out

2/20/2008 6:13 PM
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Exactly. There is no support for preferring a "puts the ball in play (but makes the same amount of outs)" guy over one with higher Ks.
That's just not how it works.
And anyone blind to that has daddy issues (miket) or a learning impairment (mrsdanny).
2/20/2008 6:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mrdanielx on 2/20/2008Good things that happen when you put the ball in play:

Reach on error, advance runner, Sac Fly, RBI fielders choice.

Good things that happen when you strike out:

Reach first on a dropped strike 3.

bad things that happen when you put the ball in play:

Double Play, Triple Play, Fly Out, Ground Out

bad things that happen when you strike out

Its always bad.


Therefore:

Putting ball in play > Striking out

You really think this is a counting exercise, don't you?

You poor dumb ****.
2/20/2008 6:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mrdanielx on 2/20/2008Therefore:

Putting ball in play > Striking out

What a f*cking moron.

Who the f*ck is arguing that it's not better to hit the ball?

2/20/2008 6:18 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By _nuke_ on 2/20/2008
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008

No, it's very accurate. I know bosuxbill is a Pats fan who hopped on the Sux bandwagon in '04. So the fact that he knows little of baseball is no shocker.
Well I'll concede that point.

But the whole anyone who knows anything about baseball BS argument doesn't fly.

We didn't make this sh*t up. I wish I did...I'd attach it to my resume and try to get a job with a team.

It's very simple (and after this I'm done, 60+ pages is enough). Yes, it is better to make contact. No one is suggesting you shouldn't try to hit the ball out of fear of the double play. But they are the downside to making a lot of contact. And they are bad enough to offset any gain you make from putting a lot of outs in play.





The .82 DP every game does not make up for every good thing that happens when you put the ball in play.

Seriously, that's the end of the story.
2/20/2008 6:19 PM
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Gee, if that's true, you'd expect Ks to correlate negatively with Runs Scored, wouldn't you? As all those balls in play turn into runs?
Wonder why it doesn't? Why there's no correlation between Ks and Runs Scored?
No, I bet you don't. That would be like questioning daddy.
2/20/2008 6:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 2/20/2008The .82 DP every game does not make up for every good thing that happens when you put the ball in play.

Seriously, that's the end of the story
Oh...well I guess you're right since teams that strikeout less score more runs.

2/20/2008 6:22 PM
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