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Quote: Originally posted by wafairb on 7/18/2009I don't know about home field advantage but they could/should build something into fatigue for Home and Away games. If a team goes on a Road Trip the players could/should tire more easily than a Home Stand.

... and if they do that, they need to completely overhaul the process that generates the schedule to generate more "realistic" schedules. I can't imagine how significant THAT work effort would be, for such an insignificant piece of the game.

DENIED.
7/19/2009 12:47 AM
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So, after we put in arbitrary HFA and all of this wonderful stuff, then comes the following arguments:

1. I'm at Wrigley and Wrigley fans always show up no matter how bad I am.

2. I'm in Florida, I have negative HFA.

3. I play in Honolulu, my travel distance kills my team with this new distance factor.

4. Why aren't there injuries from batteries being thrown in Philadelphia?

5. My AAA stadium is tiny and has no fans.

6. I moved my team, shouldn't I get a boost in HFA since all the new fans will come?

7. I signed a big free agent, more fans should come and my HFA should go up.

The fact is that HFA is not constant across cities and, in a fictional game, it's best to have none and deal with some teams being better on the road than at home.
7/19/2009 1:34 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dpatteson7 on 7/19/2009So, after we put in arbitrary HFA and all of this wonderful stuff, then comes the following arguments:

1. I'm at Wrigley and Wrigley fans always show up no matter how bad I am.

2. I'm in Florida, I have negative HFA.

3. I play in Honolulu, my travel distance kills my team with this new distance factor.

4. Why aren't there injuries from batteries being thrown in Philadelphia?

5. My AAA stadium is tiny and has no fans.

6. I moved my team, shouldn't I get a boost in HFA since all the new fans will come?

7. I signed a big free agent, more fans should come and my HFA should go up.

The fact is that HFA is not constant across cities and, in a fictional game, it's best to have none and deal with some teams being better on the road than at home.
The HFA issue is much like the money issue.

Money is part of the game. I am sure Snake would say that money was a freebie because we didnt earn it, but the game would be very very different without money.

On the other hand we dont all make different amounts. Money is standarized. We all get the same money.

HFA is like money in that it is inherently part of the game.

HFA like money can be simplified to we all get the same HFA.

Cute try to make something you are opposed to seem very complex, when in fact it is as simple as could be!
7/19/2009 11:19 AM
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Yea...we wouldn't want realistic schedules. That would be crazy.
7/19/2009 11:20 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By snake_p on 7/19/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/18/2009
CASE CLOSED!! YOUR STADIUM CLEARLY DOES NO GIVE YOU A HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE!! CASE CLOSED!!
Swamp, your argument is losing because you don't use enough caps. By now we all pretty much know there is no logic or even rational thought to your position, so obviously you're not goig to score any points that way. But CAPITAL LETTERS may put you over the top. Look how this grabs attention:



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* * * CAPITAL LETTERS * * *



You need more of that sort of thing if you hope to get any more converts to your lunacy.

Just trying to help.

Just the opposite.

The only data you habe ever brought to this discussion is "leave the status quo alone".

The final sign of how desperate you have become is the fact that you primary argument is not about the issue but about me. You have ran out of fact, logic and rational thought...all you have is grammar!

7/19/2009 11:21 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/18/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/18/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By bfkfraser on 7/17/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/17/2009
Seriously, rather than lobby for a "home field advantage" (a.k.a. "something for nothing"), why not just put in a little more effort to try to make your team just a little bit better than the other guy's? That will have the same net effect (more wins for you), and you'll feel much better about yourself in the morning.
Thats his MO to a tee
I am not horrible at the game. Made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years, above average.

Again you are not getting something for nothing. No one coach is going to benefit from this, only the game itself will benefit from added realism and a deeper richer strategic option level.

Please explain the "deeper richer strategic option level"
Gladly...

HFA creates a whole new level of strategic options. You can have a spot starter that only plays on road/home. You can rest player at home/away.

It would be subtle, but so much of HBD is a subtle exercise in rock, paper, scissors.
7/19/2009 11:24 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/19/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/18/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/18/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By bfkfraser on 7/17/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/17/2009
Seriously, rather than lobby for a "home field advantage" (a.k.a. "something for nothing"), why not just put in a little more effort to try to make your team just a little bit better than the other guy's? That will have the same net effect (more wins for you), and you'll feel much better about yourself in the morning.
Thats his MO to a tee
I am not horrible at the game. Made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years, above average.

Again you are not getting something for nothing. No one coach is going to benefit from this, only the game itself will benefit from added realism and a deeper richer strategic option level.

Please explain the "deeper richer strategic option level".
Gladly...

HFA creates a whole new level of strategic options. You can have a spot starter that only plays on road/home. You can rest player at home/away.

It would be subtle, but so much of HBD is a subtle exercise in rock, paper, scissors.

I thought you were arguing for realism...
7/19/2009 11:28 AM
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That is realistic. Not something that every team does, but has occured.
7/19/2009 11:36 AM
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Swamp, the money issue in HBD comes with so many choices. I one world you'll see the team that spends nothing on scouting and exists on free agents with 100M+ salaries and win. Other teams use only young guys, pay less than 50M in salary and win on scouting budgets. If money wasn't the same, no one would play in a AAA city. We'd have 70 worlds with 2 NYs, 2 Chicagos, 2 LAs and so on down the big markets and probably 4 or 5 owners who wanted the challenge of playing the bustling metropolis of Scranton.

You want to make HFA something simple when it really isn't. It's not uniform in real life, which is your argument for it, and there would be nothing added in the way of choice for owners as a result.
7/19/2009 11:57 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/19/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/18/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/18/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By bfkfraser on 7/17/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/17/2009
Seriously, rather than lobby for a "home field advantage" (a.k.a. "something for nothing"), why not just put in a little more effort to try to make your team just a little bit better than the other guy's? That will have the same net effect (more wins for you), and you'll feel much better about yourself in the morning.
Thats his MO to a tee
I am not horrible at the game. Made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years, above average.

Again you are not getting something for nothing. No one coach is going to benefit from this, only the game itself will benefit from added realism and a deeper richer strategic option level.

Please explain the "deeper richer strategic option level".
Gladly...

HFA creates a whole new level of strategic options. You can have a spot starter that only plays on road/home. You can rest player at home/away.

It would be subtle, but so much of HBD is a subtle exercise in rock, paper, scissors.

I'm now convinced that your whole push for HFA is nothing more than a scam, because you cannot possibly be serious about this as your rationale.
7/19/2009 5:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By AlCheez on 7/19/2009
I thought you were arguing for realism...
Of course he is. Or not. It's whatever pops into his head this minute. Or, whatever pops into his head the next minute, even if it is the opposite. When something finally pops into his head that is so freaky that enough people respond, he is off on his next crusade. Here is his latest feeler ...

<< The HFA issue is much like the money issue. Money is part of the game. ... the game would be very very different without money. On the other hand we dont all make different amounts. Money is standarized. We all get the same money. HFA is like money in that it is inherently part of the game. HFA like money can be simplified to we all get the same HFA. >>

If enough people choke on that, something freaky about money will be his next crusade. Or maybe a specialized roster spot: << You can have a spot starter that only plays on road/home. You can rest player at home/away. It would be subtle... >>

Swamp has been around long enough without changing his MO that he has become predictable.

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/19/2009
I'm now convinced that your whole push for HFA is nothing more than a scam, because you cannot possibly be serious about this as your rationale.
Ya think?
7/19/2009 6:01 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by snake_p on 7/19/2009Swamp has been around long enough without changing his MO that he has become predictable.

Irony levels... rising... too many... comebacks... losing... consciousness...
7/19/2009 6:25 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/19/2009That is realistic. Not something that every team does, but has occured


So, if it's occurred once in MLB, HBD should incorporate it into the game?
7/19/2009 7:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/19/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 7/19/2009
That is realistic. Not something that every team does, but has occured.



So, if it's occurred once in MLB, HBD should incorporate it into the game?


Of course not. The ability to play a guy only at home already exists in the game. I was just showing a perk of HFA Reform.

Home Field Advantage, Good for You...Good for ME...and good for HBD
7/19/2009 8:41 PM
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I'd like to see some evidence that it's even happened. I mean, there are start/sit decisions made frequently based on park, opponent, etc (all things that are currently considerations within the game), but I really don't recall hearing too much about switches being made based on some intangible HFA.

Besides, if HFA in HBD is what he's arguing for, which is a bump to the entire team, why would it even make sense to do what's being described? Sure, bench player A will play better at home than on the road, but so will the starter he's replacing - it's a wash. Those kind of decisions, at least for someone who knows what they are doing, would still come down to park, opponent, etc.

For the record, I think that HFA is very real in baseball, if perhaps not as pronounced as in basketball, football, etc, but I don't necessarily think that means it's the best idea to put it into the game. We all want a realistic game, but I don't think adding realism for realism's sake always makes the game better.
7/19/2009 8:45 PM
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