Writing the HBD Handbook Topic

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Quote: Originally posted by schuyler101 on 9/19/2009
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 9/19/2009Nothing can replace experience.   Play the game.   WRT to ratings, the general rule is 1 is bad, 100 is good.   There should never be a need to ask "Which one?", "Is this guy good?", "Why does this guy suck?"Then you can sort out the petty arguments that have already started.
wrong, information can replace experience

we can tell a newbie that they can't play a y at 2nd base, or they can find it out on their own

we can tell a newbie about how many games a player can play with a certain durability level, or how many innings a pitcher can throw during the year, or they can find out on their own

there are things newbs don't have to find out on their own

why not make a guide for them?

The HD guide was outstanding for me when i started out and i pretty much hit the ground running over there, of course that forum was much more helpful than this one

OK, so I'm a newb and would love to know the answer to this question, as opposed to reading a debate about whether it would be a good question to answer.

I've got a 25 yo SS with an 85 durability rating. We're 30 games in, and he, like every other position player is at 100%. How much playing time should I expect out of him? Should I think of his max playing time in terms of games played, plate appearances, or some other metric? When his fitness level begins to drop below 100% will I be able to get him back to that level with one day off, or do I need to be giving him one day off a week now unless I want him to sit for most of Sep? Do C and SS and CF tire more quickly?

Do pitchers have a max IP ceiling implied by their stamina and endurance ratings?

Thanks in advance
9/21/2009 8:36 AM
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Those questions should be taken to a separate thread.
9/21/2009 8:46 AM
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Hell, I'll answer. My SS in MG is an 88. Last season, he played in 158 games and got approximately 620 PA at 100%. Think of it in terms of PA(although, as I understand it, innings in the field also play into the equation). I'd expect about 600 from a 85.

Once he dips below 100%, you're playing a game of day off, day on, day off.

I believe it's been discussed about certain positions tiring quicker but I've not noticed it. Durability rules.

Pitchers have a max IP based on pitches thrown. A 18/62 that's effective will get a lot more innings than an ineffective 18/62.



9/21/2009 9:07 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/21/2009
Hell, I'll answer. My SS in MG is an 88. Last season, he played in 158 games and got approximately 620 PA at 100%. Think of it in terms of PA(although, as I understand it, innings in the field also play into the equation). I'd expect about 600 from a 85.

Once he dips below 100%, you're playing a game of day off, day on, day off.

I believe it's been discussed about certain positions tiring quicker but I've not noticed it. Durability rules.

Pitchers have a max IP based on pitches thrown. A 18/62 that's effective will get a lot more innings than an ineffective 18/62.

Misleading, as Mike has worded it here. There is no hidden hard limit for max IP that a pitcher can throw in a season. It's all based on usage. Pitchers have a pattern of usage that will become evident over time, determined by durability and stamina and then modified by actual pitches thrown per game.
9/21/2009 9:13 AM
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I, obviously, disagree. An 18/62 pitcher cannot pitch indefinitely. In other words, he cannot throw 27 pitches every day, record an out with every pitch and finish the season 162-0 with 1450 innings pitched. He cannot pitch that many innings in a season.
9/21/2009 9:19 AM
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Of course he can't. Nobody can.

But there is no fixed limit on IP for a pitcher such that, for example, once a particular guy hits 246 innings for the season he's done.

Which is how I read the question.
9/21/2009 9:31 AM
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There is a limit. Your answer implies that there is not. The limit is based on durability, stamina and effectiveness.
9/21/2009 9:34 AM
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You're splitting hairs.

Fine, there's an implicit limit. But it's based on how YOU decide to set his pitch counts, skipping him a day in the rotation here and there, etc.

So given the same pitcher and the same team, one might get 230 IP of effective work out of him for a season. A more conservative owner might only get 210 IP, and a more aggressive owner might get 250 IP.

Again, as I said, it's all based on usage.
9/21/2009 9:38 AM
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Thanks, MikeT.

Somebody willing to move beyond an epistemological debate about the theory of HBD knowledge, and to actually provide some information. (I'm not classifying as information the revelation that handed 2B men don't field very well, sorry)

9/21/2009 9:42 AM
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No, you chose to argue a point that can't be argued. There is a limit. It is based on durability, stamina and effectiveness. You know, what I said in my initial post on the subject.

Sometimes, and this applies to you here, it's best just to STFU rather than add a pointless point.

"Pitchers have a max IP based on pitches thrown. A 18/62 that's effective will get a lot more innings than an ineffective 18/62." This is the answer. Nothing needs to be added, subtracted or disputed.
9/21/2009 9:44 AM
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The problem around here, eayepert, is that some users, like my buddy tecwrg, will add something that doesn't need to be added. At some point today, someone will undoubtedly post a player who got 608 PA at 85 durability. And they'll say "You can get more than 600 PA from an 85 durability! MikeT is wrong."
9/21/2009 9:50 AM
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So what's the IP limit for a guy with 18/62?
9/21/2009 9:52 AM
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How effective is he? Please read my initial answer.

Plus no one has asked how many innings player x can throw. I generally don't answer those because A) I don't know the quality of his competition B) I don't know the quality of his defense C) I don't know the quality of his owner.

Sometimes, and this applies to you here, it's best just to STFU rather than add a pointless point.
9/21/2009 9:59 AM
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If you don't care about effectiveness, the limit could be very high. Near the end of the season, just keep throwing him out there at 0(0) with a 1 pull and no pitch limit until he gets hurt.
9/21/2009 9:59 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/21/2009

How effective is he? Please read my initial answer.

Plus no one has asked how many innings player x can throw. I generally don't answer those because A) I don't know the quality of his competition B) I don't know the quality of his defense C) I don't know the quality of his owner.

Sometimes, and this applies to you here, it's best just to STFU rather than add a pointless point.




Way to waffle. Are you running for office in November?

Perhaps a more accurate answer might have been:

There's no limit on IP for pitchers. There is an implied limit on number of pitches thrown for pitchers based on their durability, stamina and effectiveness. The amount of IP that result are a factor of the pitcher's effectiveness, quality of opposition, defense, etc.

Better? More accurate perhaps?
9/21/2009 10:11 AM
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