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sergei91
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especially for a dh
9/30/2009 1:18 PM
MikeT23
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Despite his 5 career BL AB, he's also not a BL player.
9/30/2009 1:19 PM
98greenc5
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how about it gets modeled EXACTLY like the MLB draft ... the draft lasts 50 rounds, but teams can stop drafting at any point
9/30/2009 1:21 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/30/2009

Some worlds have issue with minor league players. As in they do not have enough(or any) minor league position player FA. This is because some people don't sign non-prospects. Others never promot non-prospects and they retire. Those(like a new owner) who want to maintain their minors get frustrated because they cannot do so for 2-3 seasons due to this lack of players.

As I said, shortening the draft and making the undrafted players minor league FA would lessen this problem. Those who want to maintain their minors will have the facilities. Those who weren't going to sign those late draftees will miss nothing.

Now, if you want to respond, feel free. Troll for a redline(by mentioning a redline) and I'll happily provide you with one.

FYI, in NABCL and CAPB we have minor league roster requirements (basically, field a full team so pitchers don't play 3B, LF don't catch, and position players don't pitch, etc.) and the minor league FA pool is already GREATLY lacking in C, 2B, SS, CF despite people signing nearly all of their draftees.

So, despite the fact that all 32 owners "want to maintain their minors", it isn't as easily said as it is done.
9/30/2009 1:48 PM
MikeT23
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You have to promote players to keep them from retiring. There are enough players in each draft to fill out a rookie league roster for 32 teams. You just can't leave them in rookie, LoA, HiA forever.
9/30/2009 1:50 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By 98greenc5 on 9/30/2009how about it gets modeled EXACTLY like the MLB draft ... the draft lasts 50 rounds, but teams can stop drafting at any point

Sure. Then release the draftees without offers into the wild after the A/S break.
9/30/2009 1:53 PM
randallball
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/30/2009You have to promote players to keep them from retiring. There are enough players in each draft to fill out a rookie league roster for 32 teams. You just can't leave them in rookie, LoA, HiA forever
Certain players will never be good enough to reach AA or AAA, so HiA will be their ceiling and they will retire.

I'm not really arguing the exact point you are here, I just think that cutting the draft is NOT the answer.
9/30/2009 1:55 PM
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No, you're not. If you want full minor league rosters, you have to promote certain players(C, SS, CF) beyond their capabilities. They're still better in their skill set than the sluggers who you do promote.

And, FWIW, cutting the drafting and sending the undrafted to the FA pool would HELP with the problem. I guarantee you that I can go NABCL/CAPB and produce some position players, from every draft, who wasn't signed. They would now be in your minor league pool.
9/30/2009 2:04 PM
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This is a no-troll thread.

A 65/70/58/70 isn't a SS. But, if you want to keep him around, you have to promote him beyond his skill set. He's still better as a Triple A SS than a 60/65/50/60 so he's now a Triple A SS.
9/30/2009 2:37 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/30/2009

No, you're not. If you want full minor league rosters, you have to promote certain players(C, SS, CF) beyond their capabilities. They're still better in their skill set than the sluggers who you do promote.

And, FWIW, cutting the drafting and sending the undrafted to the FA pool would HELP with the problem. I guarantee you that I can go NABCL/CAPB and produce some position players, from every draft, who wasn't signed. They would now be in your minor league pool.




I actually find the only way to maintani a full minor league roster with the positions I want to be to sign or pick up on waivers veteran (27+ y/o) skill position players and assign them to fill out my low minor league rosters (assuming they play for minor league money). Of course these guys then retire at rollover and the world's supply is further depleted.

Fact is that in any world where more than 10 or so owners pay attention to their minors, there are not enough SS/2B/CF and C types. If you dont experience that problem in your world, take a look at the minor league rosters across your world, I am willing to bet most of them are playing players significantly out of even their projected positions.
9/30/2009 2:44 PM
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The teams who have problems fail to promote players. They end up with a ton of retirements. If you have a guy making 55k in HiA, move him to AAA when the seasons is over. He won't retire. Send him back to HiA next year.
9/30/2009 2:47 PM
MikeT23
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MG has 41 SS in AAA with 70+ across the board.

22 of them are 26 or older.

How did we get them to stick around for so long? By promoting them.
9/30/2009 2:52 PM
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I always maintain my minor league teams. I have never failed to promote players at the end of the season (hit "submit" at game 1 of the WS) and I have never had a ton of retirements, yet I had a hard time filling out my minor leauge middle IF in CAPB this season.
9/30/2009 2:54 PM
csherwood
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32 teams. 41 shortstops. thats woefully inadequate IMHO. I like to have 3 shortstop-types at each minor league level, but in the least every team should have 2. If you dont have 65+ shortstops at each minor league level, you dont have neough shortstops in the world.
9/30/2009 2:54 PM
randallball
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/30/2009
MG has 41 SS in AAA with 70+ across the board.

22 of them are 26 or older.

How did we get them to stick around for so long? By promoting them.

We have 49 in AAA in CAPB...what's your point? The problem is typically the lower minors.
9/30/2009 2:58 PM
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