Quote: Originally Posted By crazyivan on 12/31/2009Ok, hopefully the third time is the charm...

have there ever been updates to the rules?
or have they been there forever - engraved in stone?

And when the rules are updated - it's been because something was sooo screwed up, they figured it was cheaper to fix it than continue to lose paying customers.

If enough of us demand a better product, it will be provided - eventually...or they will be out of business.

Quote: Originally Posted By crazyivan on 12/31/2009Have you not read any of my arguments or questions?

It's not merely "i lost and i wanna go home'...well, not completely...I'm ****** and I want a better (or fuller) explanation than he had a better prestige than me - despite my outspending him by 170%.

I want a detailed explanation so I don't spend almost 40k and wind up with 3 walk-ons...again

Quote: Originally Posted By crazyivan on 12/31/2009ok, I can (grudgingly) accept that.

How about altering the output from FSS to be more accurate?

If his uncle can tell you how great a chance you have to sign him - why can't they tell me - Yale is a much better school - you don't stand a chance - even if you outspend him by 170%

Quote: Originally Posted By crazyivan on 12/31/2009ok, I can (grudgingly) accept that.

How about altering the output from FSS to be more accurate?

If his uncle can tell you how great a chance you have to sign him - why can't they tell me - Yale is a much better school - you don't stand a chance - even if you outspend him by 170%

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 12/31/2009Right. They are not going to break down for you, "Well, his X better prestige is worth exactly Y much more for each activity, so ..."They're not going to do that, and they shouldn't.

Quote: Originally Posted By _hannibal_ on 12/31/2009

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 12/31/2009
Right. They are not going to break down for you, "Well, his X better prestige is worth exactly Y much more for each activity, so ..."

They're not going to do that, and they shouldn't.

Why would it be so bad if we knew exactly how much an effect prestige has? (And maybe that is not what you are saying.) E.g., if we knew that each 1/3 of a letter grade made your effort worth 25% more (assuming it even works that way) that would allow coaches to recruit more strategically. There would still be plenty of unknowns (how much the other coach will spend, what the exact prestiges are).

Personally I would prefer a game where everything is on the table (in terms of the rules of engagement, not what other players are doing). I suppose others prefer a game where you have to experiment and try things that are the opposite of what you have been told by the game designers (e.g. put no minutes in a category instead of 7-8) in order to discover things.

Realistically, we have the second type of game and I don't expect it to change. But I think that kind of thing is a big reason you don't see more people playing the game. The game is not represented as that type of game to the new user so they are disadvantaged.

Quote: Originally Posted By _hannibal_ on 12/31/2009

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 12/31/2009
Right. They are not going to break down for you, "Well, his X better prestige is worth exactly Y much more for each activity, so ..."

They're not going to do that, and they shouldn't.

Why would it be so bad if we knew exactly how much an effect prestige has? (And maybe that is not what you are saying.)

No, you're correct, that's what I'm saying.

E.g., if we knew that each 1/3 of a letter grade made your effort worth 25% more (assuming it even works that way) that would allow coaches to recruit more strategically. There would still be plenty of unknowns (how much the other coach will spend, what the exact prestiges are).

Personally I would prefer a game where everything is on the table (in terms of the rules of engagement, not what other players are doing). I suppose others prefer a game where you have to experiment and try things that are the opposite of what you have been told by the game designers (e.g. put no minutes in a category instead of 7-8) in order to discover things.

Those are two different things entirely. I agree that there should be more transparency in some of the basic stuff like that. But when it comes to nuts-and-bolts strategy, there's a lot we know and a few key factors that remain more of a gray area. And I think that gray area makes the game much more interesting. Knowing those things exactly would make things less strategic, not more, imo.

Realistically, we have the second type of game and I don't expect it to change. But I think that kind of thing is a big reason you don't see more people playing the game. The game is not represented as that type of game to the new user so they are disadvantaged.

Totally agreed that WIS needs to do a better job of (1) attracting new users and (2) engaging those new users and explaining things to them. This has been a major failure on their part.

I suggested to TK quite some time ago to have some sort of a mentoring program where vet coaches took newbies under their wing in a more organized fashion. I got the normal brush off. I'm hopeful that once seble finishes up the new engine release, he can set something like that up (and I'm sure that many vet coaches, myself included, would help him with that).