Pitching Affects Defense Topic

(+) minus (E) minus (-)= Point total
__________________Game 83____________________________

National League


East Division
Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 28-54-19= -45
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 111-39-4= +68
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 20-73-13= -66
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 43-55-22= -34

Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 71-62-4= +5
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 68-25-12= +31
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 95-59-6= +30
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 86-112-2= -28

Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 51-70-11= -30
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 53-101-15= -63
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 69-97-5= -33
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 18-55-17= -54

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AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division
Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 101-66-5= +30
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 54-77-5= -28
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 44-62-7= -25
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 46-26-13= +7

Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 52-68-7= -23
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 40-56-9= -25
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 89-74-1= +14
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 48-43-6= -1

West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 76-52-0= +24
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 63-31-6= +26
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 37-73-31= -67
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 33-44-11= -22

League averages 58-61-10= -13

Divisional POINT leaders in bold
3/11/2010 3:26 PM
(+) minus (E) minus (-)= Point total
__________________Game 87____________________________

National League


East Division
Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 30-55-19= -44
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 114-41-4= +69
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 23-78-13= -68
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 43-58-23= -38

Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 71-65-4= +2
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 71-26-13= +32
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 101-62-6= +33
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 92-119-2= -29

Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 53-71-12= -30
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 56-104-15= -63
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 75-101-5= -31
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 20-57-18= -55

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AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division
Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 105-68-5= +32
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 59-90-5= -36
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 46-65-7= -26
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 50-28-13= +9

Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 54-69-7= -22
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 42-59-10= -27
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 90-83-1= +6
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 51-45-6= 0

West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 79-55-0= +24
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 67-31-6= +30
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 37-74-31= -68
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 35-47-11= -23

League averages 58-61-10= -13

Divisional POINT leaders in bold
3/12/2010 5:49 PM
(+) minus (E) minus (-)= Point total
__________________Game 90____________________________

National League


East Division
Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 30-58-20= -48
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 118-42-4= +72
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 23-79-15= -71
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 45-61-23= -39

Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 74-67-4= +3
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 72-27-13= +32
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 103-63-7= +33
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 96-127-2= -33

Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 54-72-13= -31
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 56-107-15= -66
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 78-104-5= -31
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 21-60-20= -59

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AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division
Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 111-69-5= +37
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 62-93-5= -36
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 49-69-7= -27
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 51-31-14= +6

Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 55-75-8= -28
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 43-59-11= -27
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 99-90-1= +8
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 53-48-7= -2

West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 86-58-0= +28
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 69-33-6= +30
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 38-76-33= -71
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 36-49-11= -24

League averages 63-67-10= -14

Divisional POINT leaders in bold
3/13/2010 5:27 PM
game 90 playoff contenders

NL East - Rime of the Anciet Hurler
NL Central -Scratch and Claw
NL West- Don't be so defensive
WC- Offended by offensitivity

AL East- Astro Oddities
AL central- Doppleganger 70
AL West- hand in Glove
WC- Death to Rolling things
3/13/2010 5:36 PM
(+) minus (E) minus (-)= Point total
__________________Game 94____________________________

National League


East Division
Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 30-65-23= -58
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 127-42-4= +81
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 23-81-16= -74
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 45-63-23= -41

Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 77-71-4= +2
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 75-28-14= +33
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 109-65-7= +37
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 97-134-4= -41

Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 56-74-13= -31
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 58-110-15= -67
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 80-107-5= -32
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 22-61-20= -59

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AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division
Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 117-74-5= +38
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 64-94-5= -35
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 51-70-8= -27
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 53-33-14= +6

Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 59-80-8= -29
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 47-62-11= -26
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 99-92-1= +6
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 54-51-7= -4

West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 88-60-0= +8
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 69-35-6= +28
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 39-82-33= -76
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 39-54-11= -26

League averages 66-70-11= -15

Divisional POINT leaders in bold
3/15/2010 8:58 AM
Comparison of league averages with other leagues:



Defense league 94 games 66-70-11= -15
$60 Mil 118 " 25-101-53= -129
$70 Mil 85 " 26-79-26= -79
$80 Mil 106 " 24-82-50= -108
$100 Mil 67 " 21-55-22= -56
$120 Mil 106" 48-74-26= -52
Prog 67 " 22-53-21= -52
Prog 52 " 18-44-15= -41
3/15/2010 9:24 AM
The positive numbers are really impressive....
3/15/2010 9:38 AM
I don't think it is possible to draw conclusions about intent just from the point totals. A comment in the league forum about teams that had been built with intentions toward defense or not got me thinking about this.

Take my team as an example. It's the only one that I can speak of while knowing the intention from the outset. My point totals 22-61-20= -59 may suggest that I paid no attention to defense but that would be a wrong conclusion. I clearly did not factor range as much as I should have. I started with pitching. I spent $43 M in pitching figuring if I could keep teams from hitting the ball it alone would help my defense. My # of errors is below league average (rank 8th) so that thinking worked out a little but it less dollars for position players. I couldn't afford good range with B fielding so I settled mostly with C range keeping in mind that my offense had to be fairly decent for me to reach .500 for the season.
3/15/2010 10:01 AM
I know that I definitely went all out for range. When I built the first version of my team I had good pitching AND good range. But I couldn't afford both so I cut back on the pitching and hoped my defense would save me.

It really hasn't... we are 22nd in runs allowed. But I only spent 30mil on pitching, which is about 4mil less than anyone else.

That's playing in a hitters park (BoB) and with the 5th best offense. Good to see that at least some of my almost 50mil in hitters went to their bats - mainly Tulo, Phillips and Kelly.

In reality this team is probably a little too unbalanced - hence we aren't winning our division. But we're only 2 games out of the WC so it's not hopeless.
3/15/2010 10:54 AM
JFranco, you ARE leading your division in points and coupled with the fact you are over .500 this team would be a divisional winner should the season end today. Needn't even look at WC
3/15/2010 11:30 AM
Division winners are those with the most points and over .500

Someone could have more points but be under .500 then the selection goes to the next highest point total (if over .500)

3/15/2010 11:33 AM
Quote: Originally posted by winnetka1 on 3/15/2010JFranco, you ARE leading your division in points and coupled with the fact you are over .500 this team would be a divisional winner should the season end today. Needn't even look at WC

I know, but if this was a REAL team and not an experimental team, they'd be 2 games back of the WC :)
3/15/2010 11:49 AM
(+) minus (E) minus (-)= Point total
__________________Game 97____________________________

National League


East Division
Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 32-67-25= -60
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 127-44-4= +79
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 23-84-17= -78
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 48-64-24= -40

Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 79-71-5= +3
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 77-29-14= +34
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 112-67-7= +38
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 101-135-4= -38

Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 57-74-13= -30
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 61-110-15= -64
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 86-109-5= -28
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 22-62-20= -60

____________________________________________________________

AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division
Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 118-75-5= +38
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 64-96-5= -37
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 52-70-9= -27
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 54-34-14= +6

Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 60-81-9= -30
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 48-65-11= -28
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 105-99-1= +5
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 55-53-7= -5

West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 92-60-0= +32
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 71-36-6= +29
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 39-86-33= -80
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 39-56-11= -28

League averages 66-70-11= -15

Divisional POINT leaders in bold
3/16/2010 9:17 AM
(+) minus (E) minus (-)= Point total
__________________Game 103____________________________

National League


East Division
Dads Tigers 93 .. (Bud4875) 33-72-25= -64
Rime of the Ancient Hurler . (JFranco77) 133-48-5= +80
Fielders (Johnnyd0303) 25-88-17= -80
Not sure I thought this through well (Just4me) 50-70-27= -47

Central Division
Offended by offensitivity (mmiller989) 83-73-5= +5
Scratch & Claw (nhsteven) 82-31-14= +37
Pentagon Farm Center (north of 49) 116-73-7= +36
Doppleganger '20 (seamar_116) 110-150-4= -44

Western Division
Golden Gloves ( tegesta) 61-80-16= -35
The unusual suspects ( 10_cents) 66-116-17= -67
Battleship Potemkin (whoscraig) 89-119-5= -35
Don't be so defensive (winnetka1) 22-65-22= -65

____________________________________________________________

AMERICAN LEAGUE

East Division
Astro Oddities (Alleyviper) 122-79-6= +37
Death to rolling things (Gyroball) 75-101-5= -31
Modern Pitchers for the win (Msheaf1) 56-74-10= -28
take one for the team (Pinotfan) 56-38-16= +2

Central Division
I find this offensivitive (redwingscup) 62-87-10= -35
2010 Can't touch this ( ruperts) 52-74-11= -33
Doppleganger '70 (seamar_116) 110-104-1= +5
Leather Heroes ( tegesta) 59-56-7= -4

West Division
hand in glove (trenchfoot) 99-65-0= +34
fits like a glove (unrulydog) 74-39-7= +28
P&D Kaos (uncleal) 41-96-37= -92
Birds Foil None (zubinsum) 42-58-11= -27

League averages 66-70-11= -15

Divisional POINT leaders in bold
3/18/2010 9:19 AM
How much does the modern pitcher upgrade the defense?

We can look at seamar_116 and Tegesta's teams. Both have a team in the AL and the NL. It would be interesting to look at position by position and defensive ratings of various players. It would be a lot of work to post results of that but we can at least get a few examples up here to look at. In the next several days if you can remember why not post your 2B/SS/CF name and defensive ratings. This way it would be simple enough to pair an NL and an AL player that matches (or as closely as possible) at each of these important positions and compare results.

3/18/2010 9:26 AM
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