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This is no disrespect to anyone, but I don't want advice from anyone, I want to win and lose on my own merit. I don't want help from others because I'll just be their clone as opposed to my own person/coach...its really the way that I've always been, shocking I know.

Throw me a bone here dalter...winning game 1 by 21 @ Columbus State basically said that game 2 @ my home was a gimme, changes or not...you can't tell me you wouldn't have the same thought process. Suppose I thought changing something around for that opponent would negatively affect what was a very favorable outcome in game 1, then what? I understand everything that everyone is saying here however, though if you're saying I have ZERO gripe here, I have to respectfully disagree. This result wasn't 100% legit...even if it was 99-1, there was some sim BS that went on here.

3/6/2010 12:18 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/06/2010Given how the first game went, this was all but marked a W. You wouldn't necessarily look to change things up when you won a game by 21...now if it was under 10, ok...21...going back home...chalk it up...oh wait

I change things regardless of how things went. I don't care if I won by 40 if a team shot 9-19 from 3, I'm going to make an adjustment so they shoot even better the next game. I don't know how true this is, but I learned a long time ago that if you play the exact same settings against a team 2 games in a row odds are that team will perform better the 2nd game, because of this I always make a slight adjustment.

As for your point that you won by 21 the 1st game so you should've won the 2nd game, that's total nonsense. Teams blow teams out all the time and lose in a rematch. Duke beat Maryland by 21 earlier this season and lost the rematch by 7. Duke also lost to Georgia Tech by 4 and then turned around and beat them by 19 in the rematch, these things aren't uncommon.

All of colonels threads spin out of control, we all fall into his trap. He makes some stupid post complaining about something that isn't a problem and we all spend 5 or 6 pages trying to get him to understand that it's his logic that his faulty and he refuses to listen. I for one and done with this pointless back and forth with him. From here on out I make one post and if he chooses to disregard it because for some odd reason he thinks he's right then so be it. I hope everybody else stops feeding him, he loves the attention and I'm not even sure if he believes everything he posts.

3/6/2010 12:21 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/06/2010
This is no disrespect to anyone, but I don't want advice fromanyone, I want to win and lose on my own merit. I don't wanthelp from others because I'll just be their clone as opposed to my own person/coach...its really the way that I've always been, shocking I know.

Throw me a bone here dalter...winning game 1 by 21 @ Columbus State basically said that game 2 @ my home was a gimme, changes or not...you can't tell me you wouldn't have the same thought process. Suppose I thought changing something around for that opponent would negatively affect what was a very favorable outcome in game 1, then what? I understand everything that everyone is saying here however, though if you're saying I have ZERO gripe here, I have to respectfully disagree. This result wasn't 100% legit...even if it was 99-1, there was some sim BS that went on here.

Colonels, I took your very first post to be an open invitation for other coaches to look at your game and offer some advice. If that wasn't the case, then I may have read too deeply into it, as others apparently did also (dcy here, sorry changed ID's on you).

3/6/2010 12:23 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 3/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/06/2010

This is no disrespect to anyone, but I don't want advice fromanyone, I want to win and lose on my own merit. I don't wanthelp from others because I'll just be their clone as opposed to my own person/coach...its really the way that I've always been, shocking I know.

Throw me a bone here dalter...winning game 1 by 21 @ Columbus State basically said that game 2 @ my home was a gimme, changes or not...you can't tell me you wouldn't have the same thought process. Suppose I thought changing something around for that opponent would negatively affect what was a very favorable outcome in game 1, then what? I understand everything that everyone is saying here however, though if you're saying I have ZERO gripe here, I have to respectfully disagree. This result wasn't 100% legit...even if it was 99-1, there was some sim BS that went on here.

Colonels, I took your very first post to be an open invitation for other coaches to look at your game and offer some advice. If that wasn't the case, then I may have read too deeply into it, as others apparently did also (dcy here, sorry changed ID's on you).

It wasn't for that at all, it was basically just to vent/gripe about what happened. If I thought it was 100% justified, I wouldn't have posted it. Rightly or wrongly, the fact that people don't agree with me doesn't necessarily make me change my assessment.

3/6/2010 12:25 AM

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You had 5 spots to recruit what were you doing recruiting just 2 spots and wasting tons of loot on one more spot you have the state georgia you could used FSS and probably 3 solid to real good players out of GA for the money you spent on that one. You will learn though the more games you play i think you need to get a few more human coaches on the non conf schedule so you can learn how they gameplan your team before conference play starts.

3/6/2010 12:27 AM

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Pirates, we get it man, the walk-ons didn't help!

3/6/2010 12:29 AM

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heh, emy

3/6/2010 12:30 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted By kmasonbx on 3/06/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/06/2010
Given how the first game went, this was all but marked a W. You wouldn't necessarily look to change things up when you won a game by 21...now if it was under 10, ok...21...going back home...chalk it up...oh wait.
I change things regardless of how things went. I don't care if I won by 40 if a team shot 9-19 from 3, I'm going to make an adjustment so they shoot even better the next game. I don't know how true this is, but I learned a long time ago that if you play the exact same settings against a team 2 games in a row odds are that team will perform better the 2nd game, because of this I always make a slight adjustment. I was playing a sim a second time, not a human being, and that's a big difference that I believe is being overlooked here.

As for your point that you won by 21 the 1st game so you should've won the 2nd game, that's total nonsense. Teams blow teams out all the time and lose in a rematch. Duke beat Maryland by 21 earlier this season and lost the rematch by 7. Duke also lost to Georgia Tech by 4 and then turned around and beat them by 19 in the rematch, these things aren't uncommon. Look at where the games were played...I know for fact the Duke win was at home by 21 and they lost away by 7....I won AWAY by 21 and lose by 2 at HOME? Not even close to being the same thing and I don't like comparing the sim to real life in these instances because once you do, you're basically using real life to justify everything in the sim...every upset is written off as Chaminade over Virginia or Nova over Georgetown...that's nothing but a crap excuse.

All of colonels threads spin out of control, we all fall into his trap. He makes some stupid post complaining about something that isn't a problem and we all spend 5 or 6 pages trying to get him to understand that it's his logic that his faulty and he refuses to listen. I for one and done with this pointless back and forth with him. From here on out I make one post and if he chooses to disregard it because for some odd reason he thinks he's right then so be it. I hope everybody else stops feeding him, he loves the attention and I'm not even sure if he believes everything he posts. I believe in everything I post.

3/6/2010 12:30 AM

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I was the same way when i got started ****** off when i would lose a game that i shouldnt have lost.

3/6/2010 12:31 AM

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During the rest of the season i would find a way to try to get that fga % number down your opponents is almost making 47% of their shots against you, maybe slow down the pace or experiment with your lineup.

3/6/2010 12:36 AM

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Try a +3 on Defense for a game or two see how that works you got plenty of rebounding underneath.

3/6/2010 12:39 AM

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colonels, it doesn't matter a fig if it was a human or a sim. You didn't alter your game plan and he had more overall improvement. I'm in the camp that the outlier was the first game, not the second.

And I just gotta say, you say you don't want help from others, but you are here in the forums soaking up information. I can't imagine you do a mindwash after reading them, so don't get all up in arms when people comment on something that you obviously posted to get some community reaction from.

3/6/2010 1:43 AM

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Quote: Originally posted by colonels19 on 3/06/2010This is no disrespect to anyone, but I don't want advice from anyone, I want to win and lose on my own merit. I don't want help from others because I'll just be their clone as opposed to my own person/coach...its really the way that I've always been, shocking I know.Throw me a bone here dalter...winning game 1 by 21 @ Columbus State basically said that game 2 @ my home was a gimme, changes or not...you can't tell me you wouldn't have the same thought process. Suppose I thought changing something around for that opponent would negatively affect what was a very favorable outcome in game 1, then what? I understand everything that everyone is saying here however, though if you're saying I have ZERO gripe here, I have to respectfully disagree. This result wasn't 100% legit...even if it was 99-1, there was some sim BS that went on here.

wtf did you expect to happen when made a post here?

everyone's opinions on the outcome of your game are based on their knowledge of the WIS engine. nothing you say will change their opinions.

if you had a lot of experience with the game and had been a positive outlier in terms of success, maybe people's ears would perk up when you had a complaint. this is, however, not the case.

if someone doesn't think your gripe is justified, THATS IT, GAME OVER.

you mean no disrespect? well, having arguments like this is blatantly disrespectful. people you're arguing with have years of experience with this game. by saying they're WRONG, you come off like a 12-year-old who thinks he's smarter than his parents.

3/6/2010 2:45 AM

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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 3/06/2010I find this result extremely hard to stomach, regardless of the explanations that were given here. Just because you may have made some valid points here, doesn't mean that I should just accept it, say you guys are right, own this loss, and move on, because regardless...I still think this is something that shouldn't have happened...I guess I wish some people would see/acknowledge my side because I tend to get the vibe that certain people are always trying to defend the game...coachbillyg even admitted to this

I beleive that the rational conclusion looks like you should be saying - gosh, I was lucky in that first game. Lucky to take one of two from that team, given ability and game planning

But you should of course feel however you want to feel. Consider posting a label on threads that you do not want replied to like "PLEASE do not reply, just venting, no advice, reactions or opinions sought" because otherwise folks imagine - rightly or wrongly - that opening a thread invites comments, opinions and ideas.

3/6/2010 4:00 AM

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Of course I expected people to post here, but I didn't ask for help, I was pointing out what I thought was, and majority still do think was/is a BS result. I don't want coaching assistance and I didn't come here to find out what I did wrong, because largely this shouldn't have happened.

As far as which game the engine took a s*** in/on...I will still argue that its a lot more game 2 than game 1, mainly because of the high FG and 3FG percents and that the sim team played a ton better on the road than at home, when in fact just the opposite should probably happen.

Like I said, if you want to cut 20 points off of the game 1 deficit for game 2, I would have more than happily taken a 1 point victory, though that could be argued against as well probably. Bottom line is, a loss was HIGHLY improbable here, the factors were in my favor, and its the sim team that goes ape....lovely.

3/6/2010 8:47 AM

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