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something along those lines would be great.
3/12/2010 8:12 AM
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It's probably a programming nightmare. But I think it would solve a lot of problems or, at the very least, encourage owners to consider their minor leagues/development/promotions pretty important. I'd love to see my 3rd round pick with a fatal flaw that makes him a BL player until arb become a 10 year pro.

Of course, the 17th rounder would probably never get a DITR and the naysayers would still be clamoring about "Late round picks never become big players!! That's not realistic!!"
3/12/2010 8:22 AM
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My only concern about Mike's suggestion would be "Only teams with winning records at that level would be eligible."

I can see people gaming the system a bit by loading their RL, LoA and HiA rosters with talent that better belongs in AA or AAA just to meet this requirement. Granted, those guys would not be eligible for DITR because of their seasons of experience, but they'd be helping to stack the deck for the rest who are eligible.

I'd rather see this requirement changed to either total minor league success (all five levels), or total organizational success (all minors and the majors). Encourage minor league competitiveness across the board. Maybe the number of .500+ teams determines the max number of DITRs that could be received.
3/12/2010 8:27 AM
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That would mean they're paying attention to their minors, and they'd still have to have one of the top 5 coaches at that level, so I don't really see that as a detriment.
3/12/2010 8:30 AM
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http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1406378

Nate Price 14th rounder. He is still up and down for a career, but he would only make AAA on my team before. Of course, a ham sammich would make AAA on my teams.
3/12/2010 8:33 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By grivfmd1 on 3/11/2010

Having completed the All-star break in Fingers the chat description for the DIRTs ranges from Z(zirconium)ITRs to T(Turds)ITRs. Regardless of your description, and despite any DITR tweaking by administration, DIRTs remain worthless.

It is time to either get rid of D(Diamond)ITRs or make them live up to the description. If they are going to call it Diamonds in the Rough - occasionally it should actually produce a diamond - that production should be semi-random but helped by the coaching received and the makeup of the player.

I could argue for either approach but if the programmers intend to keep DIRTs this is what I think needs to happen:

1) All players in their 1st three years of pro ball should be eligible for the DITR "magic wand" - even 1st round draft picks and IFAs.

2) the extent of the potential improvement for a selected player should be based on the quality of coaching (esp knowledge, discipline and patience) modified by the makeup of the player.

3) "Jake O'Brien (P) must have been eating his Wheaties. This guy has just had a career changing transition, I would highly recommend that you look at him a bit closer." 50% of the "pop in potential" should be immediately reflected in the current ratings - after all if the player has had a career changing jump in ability THE COACHES/SCOUTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE/MEASURE IT.



Part random - part non-random

should not be a programming nightmare, as it is based on the factors already entrenched in the data base - the better your minors and coaching the better the bounce for the selected player. They could limit the number Ditrs selected to 4% of the pool - 75 eligible players(in 3rd yr or less) - 3 random Ditrs who are then adjusted based on the quality of the coaching and the players make up.
3/12/2010 8:42 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/12/2010

That would mean they're paying attention to their minors, and they'd still have to have one of the top 5 coaches at that level, so I don't really see that as a detriment.

What if you saw this:

AAA record: 7-84
AA record: 11-80
HiA record: 63-28
LoA record: 55-36
RL record: 24-6
3/12/2010 8:59 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 3/12/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/12/2010

That would mean they're paying attention to their minors, and they'd still have to have one of the top 5 coaches at that level, so I don't really see that as a detriment.

What if you saw this:

AAA record: 7-84
AA record: 11-80
HiA record: 63-28
LoA record: 55-36
RL record: 24-6

I think he would get that blind monkey he is always talking about to help him with his high minors!
3/12/2010 9:08 AM
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If you have any real prospects at AAA/AA, that wouldn't happen. If you're fielding a full team that is that bad, you probably don't care about your minors and you sure aren't going to try to game the system to get a DITR or two.

Doesn't really matter. The DITR system isn't changing. It's working as intended.
3/12/2010 9:08 AM
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it probably won't change, yeah, but it's interesting to think about. Knowing how they operate though, maybe if enough people get on board they'll do something.

I think you can argue the specifics, but the main point is to relate it to something in the game. I would guess ideally how well a team's minors are run. Making it simple would be a start. Maybe, just doing certain things (signing a high percentage of DPicks, not playing fatigues players, hiring good coaches, winning) could increase the number of DITRs a team gets.
3/12/2010 9:22 AM
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I'm probably missing something, but how can someone go from:

"Will you also stop wasting time with pointless threads about DITR?"

to:

"I proposed something long ago based on performance, coaching, level and age. Essentially you'd increase your chances by having good coaches and players at the right levels performing well. There would have been a lot less DITR but virtually all of them would be BL players.

In short, only teams with a top 5 coach would be eligible at RL, LoA, HiA. Only 1st-2nd year players would be eligible. And only those performing at a pre-set skill level would be eligible. Only teams with winning records at that level would be eligible.

It would make coach hiring at the lower levels important. It would make promotions and proper placement important. It would make minor league performance mean something(and encourage owners to tend to their minors). And there would be virtually no "My DITR is ZIRT!!!" whining. Because very few would get one."

???

The latter appears to fully agree with the original post griv made. Why give him grief only to agree 10 posts later? (I posted the 10th one, the 11th one finally agreed with the op)
3/12/2010 10:59 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/12/2010
If you have any real prospects at AAA/AA, that wouldn't happen. If you're fielding a full team that is that bad, you probably don't care about your minors and you sure aren't going to try to game the system to get a DITR or two.

Doesn't really matter. The DITR system isn't changing. It's working as intended.



Yeah, you missed something. Still angry because I wouldn't let you play in Coop, spudstalker?
3/12/2010 11:11 AM
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3/12/2010 11:17 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By deathinahole on 3/12/2010
It's OK if you cry, death - if Ditr were fixed you still won't get anything from it - the trash in your minors would stay trash
3/12/2010 1:32 PM
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So you wouldn't lose anything?

Should I start a thread saying "All the training camp pitchers suck!!! If they're all going to suck, why have them????"
3/12/2010 1:36 PM
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