Quote: Originally Posted By girt25 on 3/21/2010
Moy, I was in that conference w. combalt, and even when he won the title w. Delaware he only got up to an A- (I just double checked to make sure).

And here's the thing: I'm not recruiting against C and D level schools, if I was I wouldn't be consistently beating BCS teams in the NT. When I look at other schools before recruiting, I don't even look at what the C/D schools have going on. I look at the Pac-10 schools.

And the fact that there may be a good # of B/B+ schools from non-BCS conferences kind of makes my point. There simply has to be something to meaningfully differentiate between a non-BCS school that has had moderate success with one that's had big-time success. A school that's gone F4/F4/E8/E8 and has made eight straight NT's shouldn't have a prestige that's almost the same as one that's been sporadically in the NT with little or nothing in the way of deep runs.

Quote: Originally Posted By moy23 on 3/21/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By girt25 on 3/21/2010

Moy, I was in that conference w. combalt, and even when he won the title w. Delaware he only got up to an A- (I just double checked to make sure).

And here's the thing: I'm not recruiting against C and D level schools, if I was I wouldn't be consistently beating BCS teams in the NT. When I look at other schools before recruiting, I don't even look at what the C/D schools have going on. I look at the Pac-10 schools.

And the fact that there may be a good # of B/B+ schools from non-BCS conferences kind of makes my point. There simply has to be something to meaningfully differentiate between a non-BCS school that has had moderate success with one that's had big-time success. A school that's gone F4/F4/E8/E8 and has made eight straight NT's shouldn't have a prestige that's almost the same as one that's been sporadically in the NT with little or nothing in the way of deep runs.

I get that you are not recruiting against C and D prestige schools - but you are playing against them for 2/3rd of your schedule.

No, I'm not. I schedule tough (I've had #1 sos after non-con 2/3 seasons), our conference has 11 humans and has been top five in conf rpi for three straight seasons. We've sent 4-6 teams to the NT. I play very few low level teams.

I realize that you are recruiting against the bcs schools as well. I've been there - done that.

The bcs schools have always gotten the glory in RL and I think they should have higher baselines. It would suck to be Duke and play against a conf of C and D prestiges.

I don't think there's really any realistic chance of that happening, for a multitude of reasons.

And I see no reason why baseline prestige should play such a large role. We're randomly tethered to what the perceived prestige of teams was in real life 6-8 years ago. Who cares? A team like Stanford has elite baseline in HD while teams that have actually been really, really good in real life don't. There's no logic there.

It just doesn't make sense to me that what a team was doing in real life in 2003 is more important than what they've actually accomplished in HD.

You are an A- prestige playing in an up and coming conf - otherwise you'd be a B+ prestiige or worse.

No, I wouldn't. Other non-BCS teams with similar success in various worlds have all been at A- that I've seen. The great conference success does not appear to be helping me in the slightest, and that's another flaw.

Of course you are trying to reach out for the best recruits... just like RL zaga, George Mason, West Virginia and everyone else - the best recruits in RL still go to the schools with the big names... Montana is not one of them, nor zaga, nor George Mason, nor WVA.

Well, yes, in Allen Montana is one of them. Eight straight NT's, 11 straight postseasons, four straight very deep runs and the last two F4's. The last three seasons we've had three #1 seeds and a #2 seed in the NT. We are now, by definition, a big-name school in Allen. Ask the Pac-10 schools in the Pacific NW and Zaga if they consider us to be big-time.

If combalt can win a NC with Delaware (and you are correct about the A- prestige) then you can win one with Montana. Jimmy V baby... Don't give up, Don't ever give up!

I never said I've given up on the notion of winning a title at Montana. Heck, my boy umpikes just won the NT two nights ago w. a team from our conference (Southern). So it's possible, never said it wasn't.

You are upset because you think you should be an A+. I think you have done an outstanding job at Montana - worthy of being the 15th overall prestiged team in that world out of 300 or so. Not the top 6 that would make an A+. we differ here.

I think I should be an A, with the ability to get to an A+ down the road. That ability doesn't exist right now.

And I also think that there needs to be a meaningful prestige distinction between a program like mine and programs that have had only moderate success, and right now that's not the case, either.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/21/2010Just because he can win a title at Montana doesn't mean the prestige system isn't broken (or more likely not broken but could use some fixing)

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 3/21/2010

You are upset because you think you should be an A+. I think you have done an outstanding job at Montana - worthy of being the 15th overall prestiged team in that world out of 300 or so. Not the top 6 that would make an A+. we differ here.

I think I should be an A, with the ability to get to an A+ down the road. That ability doesn't exist right now.

And I also think that there needs to be a meaningful prestige distinction between a program like mine and programs that have had only moderate success, and right now that's not the case, either.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 3/21/2010UK can not go down to a C, all elite schools have a floor of a B-

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 3/21/2010
As for the NBA point, it's not a fair one. The sim badly leans towards BCS schools for draft picks. I've had guys that clearly should've been drafted that have not.

Also, as you've seen, even the low/mid teams that have won national titles have stayed at A-. So saying that I'm not there because I haven't won it all doesn't appear to be correct.

Here are some A prestige teams in Allen (on a side note, I've had several BCS coaches in Allen sitemail me in the last couple days saying, "There is no way my prestige should be higher than yours"):

GTech

40	djbrewer0808	22-9	11-1	8-6	3-2	11-5	11	8	A	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
39	djbrewer0808	16-16	4-8	11-6	1-2	6-10		63	A-	PI (Final Four)
38	djbrewer0808	20-10	11-3	7-5	2-2	11-5		10	A-	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
37	djbrewer0808	11-16	7-5	4-10	0-1	7-9		109	A-

Miami

40	kyle_lee7	17-13	13-4	2-7	2-2	7-9		28	A	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
39	kyle_lee7	20-9	11-3	8-4	1-2	11-5	19	22	A	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
38	kyle_lee7	24-9	11-4	8-3	5-2	10-6	5	4	A	NT At-large Bid NT (Final Four)
37	kyle_lee7	17-15	10-4	6-9	1-2	8-8		59	A	PI (Final Four)