Fair Play Guidelines? Topic

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CLARIFICATION: I understand, for the sake of fairness, why they would want to avoid a system where an assholish commish could arbitrarily boot owners for spurious reasons.

But if each league had the option to set its own minimum standards, in writing, with full disclosure to any prospective owners, why would anyone have any objection?
4/9/2010 12:12 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By hopkinsheel on 4/08/2010


So does that mean WIS will no longer cooperate with private worlds that have set more stringent guidelines?


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Good question, I submitted a ticket. In NCAA, all 32 owners have agreed to a set of rules (just like other good private worlds). It will be ridiculous if they try to tell us we aren't allowed to set more stringent rules than the awful ones they have.

what's the point of having a "private" world if you can't even make your own rules...not to mention you now can't enforce them...
4/9/2010 3:07 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 4/08/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 4/08/2010

A world can have unique rules. This regards ways to get rid of a tanking owner mid-season, IMHO.

A commish can prevent an owner from renewing, for failure to meet the world's unique rules.

i am hoping this is the correct interpretation and only deals with mid-season removals. you can always expel someone after the season based upon a violation of internal rules
i think that is wrong...please correct me if i am wrong...but i believe admin has removed the ability for a commish to keep a specific (tanker) owner from renewing at rollover...admin has basically made the commish a figurehead and nothing more...they have a title but no power...ridiculous...
4/9/2010 3:10 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dedelman on 4/08/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 4/08/2010
A world can have unique rules. This regards ways to get rid of a tanking owner mid-season, IMHO.
A commish can prevent an owner from renewing, for failure to meet the world's unique rules.

sanderbear, the language of "no exceptions, even for private worlds at the start of a new season" makes me think this applies to rollover.

And my concern is, if you can't not approve an owner for tanking below world standards, you probably won't succeed in removing him for making a budget transfer/making a cash trade/etc. not allowed by world rules either.

what doesnt make sense is the "no exceptions" statement...it's not black and white...there is much grey in regards to tanking...each incident should be looked at on it's own...and then a decision made regarding the tanker...but to set 3 black and white rules with no exceptions doesnt make sense...
4/9/2010 3:14 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By dedelman on 4/08/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By sanderbear on 4/08/2010
A world can have unique rules. This regards ways to get rid of a tanking owner mid-season, IMHO.
A commish can prevent an owner from renewing, for failure to meet the world's unique rules.

sanderbear, the language of "no exceptions, even for private worlds at the start of a new season" makes me think this applies to rollover.

And my concern is, if you can't not approve an owner for tanking below world standards, you probably won't succeed in removing him for making a budget transfer/making a cash trade/etc. not allowed by world rules either.

let's all just prayer that admin comes to their senses and reverses this travesty...
4/9/2010 3:26 AM
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The thing about this is that it's not even limited to tankers and fair play. Every theme league basically just lost their right to have a theme. Any world with an MLB theme cannot enforce it. Any idiot can just decide to play in Las Vegas and admin would just sit back and do nothing because that owner did not violate any "fair play guidelines." They're saying that no owner can be denied re-entry unless they meet those three standards, which is ridiculous.

I think the problem is that admin never wants to be "the bad guy." Why not grant manual approval at each rollover to the commish so that he/she takes full responsibility for removing owner's who do not meet league guidelines? I'm totally fine with these rules for midseason replacements, but to deny the commish the power to enforce rules is completely absurd.

Why don't they just make every world public at this point? I sure as hell don't want to be responsible for recruiting owners to a world that I have zero say in how it is run.
4/9/2010 3:58 AM
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The issue is complicated - The name of the game is Dynasty and the game is advertised as building a team over seasons. An owner that pushes over the edge by tanking just beyond the leagues rules forces a difficult decision on WIS. "Is the (soft/semi-overt) tanker removed from the league or do we cave to his complaint that his potential Dynasty is being taken from him?". Since they have only had complaints from the removed owners they have concluded it is "safer" (from a corporate position) to side with those who complain about losing their "Dynasties". In doing so they have "neutered" all Commishes and league rules. Without a PUBLIC DISPLAY of discontent the new policy will stand. The result will be that ALL leagues will eventually have Tanking based Dynasties - just like public leagues.

The flip side is that some Commishes may have stepped beyond common sense in "policing" their worlds. Eventually these Commishes/worlds will pay as word gets out that they are unreasonable.

What is needed is a "disclaimer" when someone joins a "private" world. A simple "I acknowledge that I may be removed at any future rollover at the Commisioners discretion. I will have NO recourse if this occurs." In addition at the all star break all commissioers should be put to a stay/be relieved vote and recieve the anonymous results. If relieved a new commissioer would be necessary to stay private.
4/9/2010 6:17 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tropicana on 4/08/2010Sure does, doesn't it? I was booted from Cooperstown. After ranting for a couple of days, I removed my asterisk and I of my own volition. I'm still ****** that I had to give my team up.

And this decision that ADMIN has made has even me trying to figure out if I want to spend any more money on this game. This is insane


trop is a man. this proves it.
4/9/2010 8:16 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By sordie on 4/09/2010CLARIFICATION: I understand, for the sake of fairness, why they would want to avoid a system where an assholish commish could arbitrarily boot owners for spurious reasons.

But if each league had the option to set its own minimum standards, in writing, with full disclosure to any prospective owners, why would anyone have any objection


i'm thinking if a rogue commish decides to boot people for no good reason that the commish would find it hard recruiting to refill his world once the season ends once word got out about why the owner got booted
4/9/2010 8:19 AM
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This may have nothing to do with the guidelines.....But I took over a team that was 35-81....Just by getting all my pitchers to full strength....with a so -so line-up, horrible starters...I still have gone 11-13 since...So those tankers out there can really compete if they want to.....I am so sorry WIS went to these guidelines....They will not get anymore money from me...
4/9/2010 9:46 AM
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I'd point out that I took a team in Foxx and the roster is comprised of Unwanted players. WW pick-up, FA signed on the last day for cheap, R5 and holdover players who cleared waivers. While I understand Foxx isn't exactly a premier world, I'm in the playoff hunt with 20something games .

With over players.
4/9/2010 9:48 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By deathinahole on 4/07/2010

Plant those trees!

Really, if you want to learn a lesson from HBD about protecting owners from themselves, it's this;

Have three league levels. Rookie, friendly, and competitive.

Rookie - open leagues. put in as many "protect the owner from themselves" rules as possible - no trading of draft picks, a lower trade veto count, pop ups that say "Are you sure? Are you sure?" after every transaction.

Friendly - built in protection not as severe as rookie, but enough that if someone decides to be an ***, it will take no more than 2 seasons to undo the damage.

Competitive - let 'er rip. No restrictions. But, a vote capacity to eject an owner based on league vote.

That is an awesome idea!

Posted in the thread for the potential Hockey Dynasty.

This kids is the answer.
4/9/2010 9:49 AM
deathinahole
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You know....the starting pitcher rule is not specific to Major Leagues as I read it.
4/9/2010 10:03 AM
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Guys,

We thought we were releasing guidelines yesterday that would help the HBD tanking situation. We wanted to make things less vague and more concrete.

And to be clear, we are far more interested in protecting and helping our veteran, loyal users than the small percentage that either choose to tank their ML team or quit playing.

So..let's work this out together.

Our goal is to have some set guidelines so there's less subjectivity when deciding whether an owner should be replaced or not. On the other hand, we have to be careful because it's not good business practice for us to boot an owner from a world in which he's been playing for several seasons (private or public).

And we want private worlds to be able to control who gets in their world. The tricky thing is when they want to prevent a user who had a team in the world from staying in the world.

Help us out. What do you suggest?

Thanks
4/9/2010 10:36 AM
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Let the owners in the world vote. Majority rules.
4/9/2010 10:37 AM
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