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dalter
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Taken in a vaccuum, I certainly see the argument for height/weight.

But with a change like this I'd be EXTREMELY worried about unintended consequences. I can easily see trying to make a move with this and screwing up five other things.

There are still going to be very, very few players who would be capable of playing that far out of position (i.e. guard at center, etc), so I see any potential issues here as minor and rare.

My preference would be to have defense split into perimeter and interior capabilities, although I don't know if that would be difficult from a programming standpoint or not.

(And remember, height and weight are already built into the ratings.)
5/4/2010 12:08 PM
scottyj74
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Height/weight should definitely mean "something" with the position penalty no longer a factor. It just makes no sense to me how we can have a legit game here and not take that into consideration. There is no way a 6'1 PG with 90 athleticism would have any chance of guarding a 6"10 PF with even 50 athleticism. However, with height/weight not meaning anything and no position penalty he could because he has great athleticism.
5/4/2010 12:26 PM
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The problem with interior/exterior defense is where you draw the line. Which defensive rating counts for a center guarding a center taking an 8-foot jumper? That's not finishing at the rim, but it's a big man fairly close to the bucket. What about a guard defending a driving guard? There's also a difference between great defenders who go for steals (Kobe) and great defenders who clog passing lanes (Lebron). Which defensive rating applies to a guy who starts in a high post but steps back and puts up a fadeaway? Obviously it's oversimplifying to have only 1 defensive rating, but it's almost a necessary oversimplification because the unsimplified reality is so very complex.
5/4/2010 1:05 PM
bhansalid00
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Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 5/04/2010Taken in a vaccuum, I certainly see the argument for height/weight.But with a change like this I'd be EXTREMELY worried about unintended consequences. I can easily see trying to make a move with this and screwing up five other things. There are still going to be very, very few players who would be capable of playing that far out of position (i.e. guard at center, etc), so I see any potential issues here as minor and rare. My preference would be to have defense split into perimeter and interior capabilities, although I don't know if that would be difficult from a programming standpoint or not.

Agree 100%. If the variation among recruits is handled well, you should still see a mostly realistic distribution of (as an example) BH for guards. I think the more interesting possibility this release opens up is how you recruit your team as a whole. Want to build a Orlando Magic-like team, with a dominant center and tons of 3-pt shooters around him? Or a team with a super-quick pure point and athletic screen-and-roll scorers in the paint? Seems to me like these become more viable / likely with the new release.
5/4/2010 3:21 PM
namshub
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a vote for getting rid of positions.
5/4/2010 3:48 PM
breum
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Quote: Originally Posted By namshub on 5/04/2010
a vote for getting rid of positions.

5/4/2010 6:48 PM
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Yeah I vote for keeping em. Too big of a worry for me of a team with 5 6' PG's running around able to press a team of 5 6'10" centers. Just general weirdness could ensue.

I am ok with a limited position penalty just for 2 positions away, but centers and PG's should not be interchangeable.
5/4/2010 7:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By porkpower on 5/04/2010
Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/03/2010
you mistyped "Run the press"

You are incorrect as usual. People are having success running the press because it is easier to recruit players who have high SPD/ATH with current recruit generization. With this change that may not be the case. No longer will you see every top 10 recruit max out in SPD/ATH. You will still be able to run the press effectively, but it will be more difficult finding recruits to fit the mold
i made the tourney this year in allen. the coach of kentucky didnt. just for the record.
5/4/2010 7:40 PM
vandydave
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Quote: Originally Posted By reinsel on 5/04/2010
Yeah I vote for keeping em. Too big of a worry for me of a team with 5 6' PG's running around able to press a team of 5 6'10" centers. Just general weirdness could ensue.

I am ok with a limited position penalty just for 2 positions away, but centers and PG's should not be interchangeable.

i dont get this, people are against getting rid of positions, but dont have a problem if a team runs out a team of 5 correct "positions" even if the position skills of those players dont correlate normally at all.

if a 7 footer has a shotblocking rating of 7 then who cares if he is 7 foot? its ratings not height/weight that matter.
5/4/2010 7:43 PM
porkpower
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I agree with you VD. You guys are really overthinking this. Having height/weight play a factor would go against the whole ratings concept. Positions will be meaningless once again. Just the way it should be. HEIGHT ALREADY IS A FACTOR IN DETERMINING A PLAYERS STARTING RATINGS.
5/4/2010 8:43 PM
porkpower
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Oh and congrats for making the NT for the 1st time in almost 20 seasons, VD. Quite the accomplishment to be proud of.
5/4/2010 8:45 PM
vandydave
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thanks.
5/4/2010 8:50 PM
sully712
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After looking at the new recruits, I doubt anything too crazy will happen. I think most coaches will stick closely to the "natural" positions.
5/5/2010 8:10 AM
wilhitec
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Quote: Originally Posted By sully712 on 5/05/2010After looking at the new recruits, I doubt anything too crazy will happen. I think most coaches will stick closely to the "natural" positions
I didn't think there were any "new" recruits yet until May 12?
5/5/2010 8:56 AM
sully712
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In the test world.
5/5/2010 9:10 AM
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