Quote: Originally posted by pdanao on 6/07/2010Is there much of a reason for the SEC to expand?   I mean, I can see the Big 10 wanting to expand to drive cable subscriptions to the Big 10 Network and also to add a championship game. However, the SEC already has a championship game and as the SEC doesn't have a network, would their deals go up appreciably if they added more teams?   Outside of adding Texas, I don't see any other schools that would add much value to that conference.

Yeah. Exactly what I was saying earlier. I think they want Texas and Oklahoma, but neither can come just alone. I think they'd take FSU or Miami, but they have already declined.

Quote: Originally posted by narcotico on 6/07/2010Gotcha, I just don't think academics is anywhere near the top of the list of what the SEC is concerned about.

But it's definitely part of the process of looking at possible teams if they were to plan on expansion, agree?

Quote: Originally Posted By narcotico on 6/07/2010Gotcha, I just don't think academics is anywhere near the top of the list of what the SEC is concerned about

I know that the SEC gets a fair amount of flak for its academic compared a conference like the Big 10, but it's not terrible either. Not that US News and World Report rankings are everything, but the SEC is decent. Most of the schools are in the highest Tier 1 category (albeit only Vandy and Florida are in the Top 50). Sure, a couple of schools are in the dreaded Unranked area, but overall, it's not a total loss.

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I'm more interested in what happens with the MWC, frankly. Adding Boise St, plus some B12 schools like Kansas & K-State, makes them a very interesting young upstart conference.

kansas and k st would be horrified to join the MWC



I agree Kansas and K.State would never go to the MWC, but wouldn't MWC schools join Kansas/K.State/ Colorado, etc. in the Big 12, wouldn't they then get a BCS game?

my guess is a mockery of the current Big 12 wont come to fruition if only 4 schools remain initially, because kansas and likely K St and Colorado (if still out) will want to join power conferences and leave. The "new Big 12" would basically just be the MWC with a new name if 10-11 new schools join.

Kansas may have no alternatives other than the MWC. If Nebraska and Missouri bolt to the Big 10, and the Texas schools go to the PAC-10, where does that leave the Jayhawks and Kansas St???

Kansas' chancellor is personally calling Missouri and Nebraska, begging them to stay in the Big 12.

Kansas doesn't want to lose their BCS status. Not being in a power conference could hurt their basketball, as well, although Memphis St., Xavier and Gonzaga have proven it can be successful

The ONLY SEC school that is "iffy" academically is Mississippi State.

The SEC is far-and-away the worst academically of all the major conferences.

They had one school in US News' Top 50 (#47 Florida -- and word is that's only because Urban offered the writer a chance to walk on), and only two more in the top 100 (including Bama, T-96). And then they've got schools like Miss and Miss State that are only slightly more difficult to get into than my public high school.

The real question is ... would I trade some academic cachet for a few trophies? How about some trophies and a bushel of Southern sorority girls? Hmmm ...

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 6/08/2010
The SEC is far-and-away the worst academically of all the major conferences.

They had one school in US News' Top 50 (#47 Florida -- and word is that's only because Urban offered the writer a chance to walk on), and only two more in the top 100 (including Bama, T-96). And then they've got schools like Miss and Miss State that are only slightly more difficult to get into than my public high school.

The real question is ... would I trade some academic cachet for a few trophies? How about some trophies and a bushel of Southern sorority girls? Hmmm ...

what ranking does vanderbilt not make the top 50 academic schools in???

Florida, Vandy, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, and South Carolina are all inside the top 110.

Florida, Vandy, Auburn, Georgia and Alabama are top 100. Tennesee and South Carolina right outside of it.

Vandy is #17 and Florida is #47.

Not sure where you looked your info up.

Totally glossed over Vandy, my bad. Also Auburn at #88.

Big Ten has six in the top 50 and all schools in the top 75.

ACC has five in the top 50 and eight in the top 75.

Pac-10 has five in the top 50.

BEast has two in the top 50 and six in the top 75.

SEC has two in the top 50 and three in the top 75.

B12 has one in the top 50 and two in the top 75.

Quote: Originally posted by alblack56 on 6/08/2010Kansas' chancellor is personally calling Missouri and Nebraska, begging them to stay in the Big 12.

Good luck with that one, especially on the Missouri side of things.

I think at this point, any Big 12 school that has a viable exit strategy can hardly be blamed for using it. The problem Kansas faces is that it is legislatively attached to K-State so anyone grabbing them will have to take both, and that there simply aren't that many televisions in the Sunflower State to make it an economic incentive for another league to stare at. Nebraska has the same state population problem, which is why you don't see them being called a slam dunk invitee to the Big 10.

My poor South Florida Bulls. I think the Big East will get crushed when the final conference re-alignment is completed in a few years. I just hope whatever is of the Big East can merge with whatever is of the soon-to-be unaffiliated major DI programs and continue on as a BCS-level conference. Otherwise, my alma mater may have to go back to the Sun Belt or something as equally horrific.

Quote: Originally posted by gomiami1972 on 6/08/2010My poor South Florida Bulls.  I think the Big East will get crushed when the final conference re-alignment is completed in a few years.  I just hope whatever is of the Big East can merge with whatever is of the soon-to-be unaffiliated major DI programs and continue on as a BCS-level conference.  Otherwise, my alma mater may have to go back to the Sun Belt or something as equally horrific.

I think USF is more likely to an invite into the "New ACC"

I agree, gators. Whatever's from the ACC will merge with the remnants of the Big East

Quote: Originally Posted By billscnb on 6/07/2010I don't know where some of you guys are getting your ideas, but I've read probably close to 100 articles about this, and, while some of you are correct, some of you are talking like you haven't heard anything new in a month lol. Nebraska and Missouri want to go to the Big Ten, mainly because being in the Big 12 with Texas is like eating Thanksgiving dinner with John Goodman. There's plenty of good stuff to go around, but they demand the biggest share, and the rest of the conference is sick of it. The Big Ten has an even share of the profits made in conference, while I believe I read that the Texas schools get about 50% of what the Big 12 makes. If Nebraska and Mizzou decide to go to the Big Ten (the deadline is reportedly Friday afternoon), then Texas, A&M and Tech will go to the Pac 10 along with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado. Colorado really wants to go to the Pac 10, but stupid Texans are trying to get Baylor the invite instead of Colorado. If the Pac 10 is smart, they won't accept the bullying and Baylor would be a better fit in the MWC, anyway. That leaves Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State. Iowa State is pretty much worthless at any sport that matters, so they would probably just go to the MAC, once again, a better fit anyway. Kansas has way too rich of a basketball history to go to a minor conference, so they would probably get invited into the Big East to replace the two likely teams they will lose. They would still keep their 16 team basketball league, and think of how good that would be. As far as the ACC/SEC, I haven't read too much about what could happen to them, so I'm not going to pretend to know.

Sorry for the long rant, it just seems some of you seem a little lost. I have links if you guys want, too

This seems to be the general "buzz", but seems vastly underbacked by the facts. If any school sits on the general worthlessness scale in the B12 it would be Baylor. No bowls in the last 10 and only 2 NCAA apps. The fact is ISU has 6 bowl appearances in the last 10; more than KSU, KU and Baylor and the same as Mizzu and CO. For that matter if they didn't need Northwestern for grades, it would make as much sense to add ISU to the Big 10 with Mizzu and NU (except this is all about TV coverage and they already have Iowa covered).

I just completely disagree with the 16 team conferences. It annoys me, and I don't want to see it happen, at all.

This whole thing is about money, and football. Mostly money.