http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5809013

7/10 players for my team had five fouls.

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5832943

In this second game my backup point guard had eight turnovers in 22 minutes and he has BH of 57 and Passing of 83.

Not a specific game issue but overall deviation on games. Seems as if there are much fewer close games. Some of these games should have been blowouts but to have played 17 games and not one be in single digits, win or lose, seems weird to me. Part of the PBP I loved was when you had 2 even teams in the old engine, it would usually come down to the last 3-5 minutes. Now, I know who is going to win every game just into the 2nd half.



http://whatifsports.com/hd/TeamProfile/Schedule.aspx?tid=7635

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5837375

17 turnovers, how is that possible?

I have now played over 60 games on various teams with the new engine. Of those games, 3 times we were leading at the half and ended up losing the game and 3 times were were losing at the half and ended up winning. All of the other games were determined by the half whether it be a win, or a loss.

The majority of those games were not close in the scoring.

Kraljmeister, your example could be alarming, but the following are questions I would have you ask yourself.

8 TO in 22 minutes is a lot, but you do not make mention of the player's IQ level, what kind of DEF he was facing, the tempo your OFF used, the player positional match up, and you do not 'seem' to be taking into consideration his low BH.

The fact your team had so many fouls is difficult to understand. Again, what DEF positioning did you use? It could have been pushed out too far, or sagged too much to get similar results; albeit rare ones.

i think at this point the engine is working pretty reasonably. to me, the biggest factor going forward is stability, i don't think anything is so far off an immediate adjustment is needed. maybe in a few months when there is more data a couple small tweaks would be in order, but i think allowing some time for everybody (including seble) to establish a base line would be a good thing. we are still all working off small sample sizes, and haven't seen the new type players enter the scene.

I understand your point, but I honestly feel like there are 2-3 aspects that are working really, really poorly. I think the sample size they have over all divisions and all worlds is definitely large enough at this point, and I'd rather get the growing pains out of the way now.

new engine sucks so far, thats my box score.

There are still way too many extreme results. Here's the home-and-home that just happened with UNC-Miami in Allen, going from a 25-pt win for one team to a 37-pt win for the other. That's right -- a 62-pt swing.

Absurd.

http://www.whatifsports.com/x.asp?r=343081&u=/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5812877

http://www.whatifsports.com/x.asp?r=343081&u=/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5840604

In that second game you have one team going 2-23 from 3p vs. a fcp and the other going 16-32 from 3p against a +1 m2m.

Right now this engine lacks any semblance of consistency, and that is a scary thing.

And a separate problem:

In the second game above, had a +1 defense, opponent went 5-13 from 3p in the first half (13 of 27 shots coming from 3pt range), and it actually "auto-corrected" from +1 to 0 for the second half?!?!

53 to 6 free throw differential between two ACC teams

http://www.wisjournal.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5841914

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 6/14/2010And a separate problem: In the second game above, had a +1 defense, opponent went 5-13 from 3p in the first half (13 of 27 shots coming from 3pt range), and it actually "auto-corrected" from +1 to 0 for the second half?!?!

In the old engine, I used the auto correct and thought it worked pretty well, maybe got it right 4 out of 5, in the new engine, I stopped using it, seble, I would consider checking the formula vs the old engine's?????

Quote: Originally posted by dalter on 6/13/2010I understand your point, but I honestly feel like there are 2-3 aspects that are working really, really poorly. I think the sample size they have over all divisions and all worlds is definitely large enough at this point, and I'd rather get the growing pains out of the way now.

i definitely see where you are coming from. there are definitely still adjustments to be made. i just am having a hard time making sense of it all because every team, every player has skewed stats from various flavors of the engine, etc... its just making it hard for me to pin down exactly what seems out of whack.

i know there are too many extreme results, but that is way too vague to act on. i do think fouls remain out of whack, especially for games between two top tier teams, which could certainly contribute to extreme results/swings - as key players get in foul trouble, it makes a huge impact, losing a player with 2 fouls 5 minutes in can be a 5 point swing easy just on that 1 thing, and it seems to be happening all the time.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 6/12/2010my 43% shooting team from three point land went 2-14 versus -5, did you overcorrect maybe?, if -5 starts working again, you will have some real frustration, it probably was the most controversial glitch in the game 3-4 years ago, please take a look?

http://whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=583359

Another possible over correcting result: Duke goes 7-27 against a -3 m2m:

http://www.whatifsports.com/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5840606

Quote: Originally Posted By girt25 on 6/14/2010
There are still way too many extreme results. Here's the home-and-home that just happened with UNC-Miami in Allen, going from a 25-pt win for one team to a 37-pt win for the other. That's right -- a 62-pt swing.

Absurd.

http://www.whatifsports.com/x.asp?r=343081&u=/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5812877

http://www.whatifsports.com/x.asp?r=343081&u=/hd/GameResults/BoxScore.aspx?gid=5840604

In that second game you have one team going 2-23 from 3p vs. a fcp and the other going 16-32 from 3p against a +1 m2m.

Right now this engine lacks any semblance of consistency, and that is a scary thing.

Another set - 51 point swing between Duke/UVA:

Duke wins by 22 at home

Virginia wins by 29 at home