Posted by oldresorter on 8/13/2010 8:54:00 AM (view original):
vandy - i did not know or recall an additional upset factor, other than one that could be attributed to random number theory, I thought when tarek was pressed on the issue, he always denied the additional 'upset' factor, but I must admit, I was not that close to either the game or to tarek when he was at his most helpful or vocal point.  By the way, am I wrong or right in thinking that at one point early in the game's developement, tarek was far more communicative about the nuts and bolts of the engine that seble has been????

Posted by oldresorter on 8/13/2010 9:12:00 AM (view original):
It is not apparent that Seble is using statistical analysis to guide his tweaks any more than tarek did, tarek looked at real life team stats and made sure team stats and HD stats for entire seasons matched.  I think tarek also attempted to keep  HD std deviation in line with reality.  I am pretty sure seble does the same thing????

As far as the changes he has made, I am confident he is relying simply upon the anecdotal complaints made by users as well as his own observation about HD to guide those changes.

I think the player rating scam was due to seble's own evaluation that he needed to create lebron james type players (I am basing that on his words, not making them up), the rest of the recruits sort of fell where they must.

The problem he ran into, when he lowered d1 recruits, he found he could not lower d3 much (do the math sometime, 400 is sort of a low end limit if one wants meaningful differentiation between positions), so except for the premium d1 guys, the other 99.5% of the players just mashed together in the 400-550 range.

Posted by a_in_the_b on 8/13/2010 9:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by oldresorter on 8/13/2010 9:12:00 AM (view original):
It is not apparent that Seble is using statistical analysis to guide his tweaks any more than tarek did, tarek looked at real life team stats and made sure team stats and HD stats for entire seasons matched.  I think tarek also attempted to keep  HD std deviation in line with reality.  I am pretty sure seble does the same thing????

As far as the changes he has made, I am confident he is relying simply upon the anecdotal complaints made by users as well as his own observation about HD to guide those changes.

I think the player rating scam was due to seble's own evaluation that he needed to create lebron james type players (I am basing that on his words, not making them up), the rest of the recruits sort of fell where they must.

The problem he ran into, when he lowered d1 recruits, he found he could not lower d3 much (do the math sometime, 400 is sort of a low end limit if one wants meaningful differentiation between positions), so except for the premium d1 guys, the other 99.5% of the players just mashed together in the 400-550 range.

That wasn't "His own evaluation"  That was something quite a few people requested in the runup to the new engine, so don't try to make it as if it was invented by Seeble out of whole cloth.

THe thing that is somewhat annoying me here(THis isn't you specifically, but a general complaint) Is that the template seems to be:  Suggestions someone liked, even if not popularly shared, are "constructive suggestions", but ones they don't are "whining that got through."- to use the phrase from that last post..

"The engine is a disaster, recruit variance is a disaster, randomness is a disaster, etc."  - HD veteran coaches club mantra prior to new engine release.

"The engine is a disaster, recruit variance is a disaster, randomness is a disaster, etc."  - HD veteran coaches club mantra after the new engine release.

The reality is I've been hearing the same things from alot of the same people since World 1, Season 1.  As long as there is only one National Champion and 30 coaches who truly believe they have teams that deserve to be the national champion I suspect the complaints will remain.  One way to approach it would be to adapt to the changes (none of which are going to lead to a nuclear catastrophe) and try and win despite the purported problems with the game.  In my mind, there are no discounted national championships.  Just a thought. 

Posted by tmacfan12 on 8/13/2010 2:25:00 AM (view original):
If the best team wins every time, however when they dont win enough it isnt fun too. Look at the history of NCAA basketball and tell me how many times a non top 10 team won the NC. If I build up a team that is top 10, its is annoying as hell to see a team that doesnt deserve it to win the championship while I lose to some team im better then. However I have nothing to complain about until I see how this new update plays out. 

This is so poorly thought out, its just annoying.  Based upon the time you posted it i'm hoping you were drunk.

Posted by pinkeye on 8/13/2010 7:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dcy0827 on 8/12/2010 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tmacfan12 on 8/12/2010 9:36:00 PM (view original):
I really love this. The last few Knight National Tournaments have been way to random (You might have heard me complain about this before). Hopefully NT seeding is next. 

As the defending D2 champion in Knight, I thought it worked out just fine!!    You don't think it's possible that some of those "random upsets" were simply a matter of the "better" team getting outcoached?  That's not even a possibility?  And it is kind of disrespectful, if you think about it, to those coaches who did win over the last couple of seasons to say that the reason they won was simply due to the outcomes being too random.

Is there randomness?  Of course.  But I would submit that it's not nearly as much as you think (and I know you've got CT randomness conspiracy theories also), simply because you see the same coaches making deep runs over and over and over.  If it truly was as random as you think, we wouldn't be seeing anything like that.  In fact, when that's a coach's sole excuse for poor performance, it comes off sounding petty, and frankly, like a crutch for failures to make adjustments on their part.

was that d2 champion the team that lost as a 68 pt favorite to a sim at home?

interestingly, the word "outcoached" wasn't used when you were whining about that game

Posted by pinkeye on 8/13/2010 7:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dcy0827 on 8/12/2010 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tmacfan12 on 8/12/2010 9:36:00 PM (view original):
I really love this. The last few Knight National Tournaments have been way to random (You might have heard me complain about this before). Hopefully NT seeding is next. 

As the defending D2 champion in Knight, I thought it worked out just fine!!    You don't think it's possible that some of those "random upsets" were simply a matter of the "better" team getting outcoached?  That's not even a possibility?  And it is kind of disrespectful, if you think about it, to those coaches who did win over the last couple of seasons to say that the reason they won was simply due to the outcomes being too random.

Is there randomness?  Of course.  But I would submit that it's not nearly as much as you think (and I know you've got CT randomness conspiracy theories also), simply because you see the same coaches making deep runs over and over and over.  If it truly was as random as you think, we wouldn't be seeing anything like that.  In fact, when that's a coach's sole excuse for poor performance, it comes off sounding petty, and frankly, like a crutch for failures to make adjustments on their part.

was that d2 champion the team that lost as a 68 pt favorite to a sim at home?

interestingly, the word "outcoached" wasn't used when you were whining about that game

Posted by emy1013 on 8/13/2010 10:40:00 AM (view original):

Posted by pinkeye on 8/13/2010 7:39:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dcy0827 on 8/12/2010 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tmacfan12 on 8/12/2010 9:36:00 PM (view original):
I really love this. The last few Knight National Tournaments have been way to random (You might have heard me complain about this before). Hopefully NT seeding is next. 

As the defending D2 champion in Knight, I thought it worked out just fine!!    You don't think it's possible that some of those "random upsets" were simply a matter of the "better" team getting outcoached?  That's not even a possibility?  And it is kind of disrespectful, if you think about it, to those coaches who did win over the last couple of seasons to say that the reason they won was simply due to the outcomes being too random.

Is there randomness?  Of course.  But I would submit that it's not nearly as much as you think (and I know you've got CT randomness conspiracy theories also), simply because you see the same coaches making deep runs over and over and over.  If it truly was as random as you think, we wouldn't be seeing anything like that.  In fact, when that's a coach's sole excuse for poor performance, it comes off sounding petty, and frankly, like a crutch for failures to make adjustments on their part.

was that d2 champion the team that lost as a 68 pt favorite to a sim at home?

interestingly, the word "outcoached" wasn't used when you were whining about that game

Who are you, exactly?  And if I recall, you yourself used the word "ridiculous" to describe that game, right?  You seem to take an extreme interest in the specifics of my teams, glad to see I have a fan....or a stalker.

Posted by cbriese on 8/12/2010 9:29:00 PM (view original):
I'm waiting for someone to come in and say how it's a matter of the rich getting richer, and that somehow these changes will mean death to all low-level D1 teams.