Hold the Ace SP Prospect in AAA, 3rd Pro Season? Topic

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And, by the way, I'm never in the situation of the prospect being far better than the big leaguers because I'm always trying to make the playoffs or, at the very least, improve from last season.   I believe, with a couple of breaks, a 70 potential win team can make a playoff run.    My favorite season is S8 of MG.  I didn't break .500 until game 130something.  Made a nice run, swept the last series to take the WC2 and got destroyed in the first round.   That was fun.  I could have gave up at the A/S break and "looked to the future" but losing sucks.
9/14/2010 7:58 AM
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Posted by plague on 9/12/2010 12:48:00 AM (view original):
My general theory is I only bring the player up if I think I have a shot at the World Series.
That sounds pretty "black or white" to me.
9/14/2010 3:45 PM
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I had pretty much the same question not too long ago, see this thread: http://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?TopicID=412489

Bottom line is you should promote him if you have a shot at the playoffs.
9/14/2010 3:58 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/14/2010 3:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by plague on 9/12/2010 12:48:00 AM (view original):
My general theory is I only bring the player up if I think I have a shot at the World Series.
That sounds pretty "black or white" to me.
That is my general theory, I did state general for a reason because its not 100% proposition. I never said that I do not have some extreme opinions, you will find  areas of my life where I have black and white opinions. However whenever I discuss something with Mike almost everything seems to be black and white, and if its not what Mike likes then its wrong and tends to get a negative label to make the other person feel bad for doing something Mike does not like.
9/14/2010 3:58 PM
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Offering lopsided deals to n00bs is wrong.   Allowing such deals to go thru is wrong.   Two wrongs makes a right in plagueworld.

The bottom line is simple.  I play to win games.   You play to win a WS.   You can't win a WS without winning games but the objective of winning the WS is your goal.  If you don't think it's feasible, you'll hold back as many players as needed.  One can only assume you have no issue with playing for draft position because that will only help you achieve your goal of winning a WS in the future.   I can't play for draft position because I'm busy trying to win games.

9/14/2010 4:37 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/14/2010 4:37:00 PM (view original):
Offering lopsided deals to n00bs is wrong.   Allowing such deals to go thru is wrong.   Two wrongs makes a right in plagueworld.

The bottom line is simple.  I play to win games.   You play to win a WS.   You can't win a WS without winning games but the objective of winning the WS is your goal.  If you don't think it's feasible, you'll hold back as many players as needed.  One can only assume you have no issue with playing for draft position because that will only help you achieve your goal of winning a WS in the future.   I can't play for draft position because I'm busy trying to win games.

I never intentionally lose games because its against my own personal beliefs, if I can't win within the rules of the game then I will quit or try harder to win within the rules of the game.. I play the best I can to win with keeping in mind the future of my team.

Your right on 1 thing. My opinion there is 1 winner and 31 losers.

Depends what your definition of holding back. At 5 years a player has fully developed, I have little reason to hold a player back at that point.

But you are wrong about this-"Offering lopsided deals to n00bs is wrong.   Allowing such deals to go thru is wrong.   Two wrongs makes a right in plagueworld."

There is no right or wrong in either case, its a matter of opinion, and you made a decision to brand it wrong which goes along with your persona of negatively branding anything you don't like. .
9/14/2010 4:57 PM
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I can't believe you are not only condoning the exploitation of new players, but actively taking part in it.

Offering a trade that is wildly unfair to a new HBD player in the hopes of taking advantage of their lack of knowledge is mean spirited.

Do you also take candy from babies and blame their parents for not stopping you?
9/14/2010 5:04 PM
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MikeT23
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I know.  I keep saying it in hopes that he'll say "No, it's not like that" but he keeps confirming that it's OK.   Amazing.

Holding a player back = Keeping a player in the minors when he's obviously better than the BL player he replace.   As I said earlier, I'll keep a 3rd/4th year guy in AAA if he's only marginally better than the BL player in front of him.   The game isn't exact.  84 isn't always better than 82.   But, for the most part, 84 will always outplay 74.   Keeping 84 in AAA because you don't think you can win the WS with either player is cheating your world.
9/14/2010 5:09 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/14/2010 5:09:00 PM (view original):
I know.  I keep saying it in hopes that he'll say "No, it's not like that" but he keeps confirming that it's OK.   Amazing.

Holding a player back = Keeping a player in the minors when he's obviously better than the BL player he replace.   As I said earlier, I'll keep a 3rd/4th year guy in AAA if he's only marginally better than the BL player in front of him.   The game isn't exact.  84 isn't always better than 82.   But, for the most part, 84 will always outplay 74.   Keeping 84 in AAA because you don't think you can win the WS with either player is cheating your world.
It's not cheating your world, that just another BS statement on your part and again goes along with something you don't like gets a negative brand.

Would you keep a 84 in the minors if it was his first pro season? If its a 5th year player I would bring him up, if its a 4th year player it depends, if its a 3rd year or under I would bring him up only if I consider it a difference maker. That is my opinion.
9/14/2010 5:13 PM
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Yeah, it is.  You're not doing your best to win games. 

Not if he was significantly better than the player he'd replace.  I've already said as much. 

Probably the best player I've drafted:
http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=3106086

Brought him up around the A/S break in HIS 2ND SEASON.   He promptly got injured but he was there because I needed him in my BL rotation.

9/14/2010 5:18 PM
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Posted by plague on 9/14/2010 5:09:00 PM (view original):
Posted by iain on 9/14/2010 5:04:00 PM (view original):
I can't believe you are not only condoning the exploitation of new players, but actively taking part in it.

Offering a trade that is wildly unfair to a new HBD player in the hopes of taking advantage of their lack of knowledge is mean spirited.

Do you also take candy from babies and blame their parents for not stopping you?
I don't take candy from babies, I differentiate between adults and children and games and real life. I treat new owners how I expect to be treated when I am new to the game. I don't expect to be babied or pampered by you or any other owner, and I know when going into any game I  understand that I am  responsible for my own actions.
Not much for analogies, huh?

I'm stunned that an otherwise rational person can miss the boat quite so badly on a pretty clear ethical matter.
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