Posted by MikeT23 on 10/11/2010 8:31:00 PM (view original):
plague believes it's the world's responsibility to make sure owners don't do anything "shifty".   I actually agree that it is the world's job.  However, and this is where plague and I differ, I believe, if I'm going to play Shifty Police, I can't do what I don't want others to do.  plague disagrees.

But he's right about soxfan121.   Restore balance my ***.   He's there to win games.   You can restore balance by taking the worst team possible.  He chose the best.

If might chime in as one of these "newb" owners, it seems to me like a lot of us new players don't know the rules (and how can we know all the ins and outs as well as a vet owner?) and as cactus said, are gunshy about hitting that veto button.  I joined Clarkson as my very first league and realized that I had taken over a team of one and dones for almost all 16 previous seasons.  My team was worst in the league, and I really had no clue what I was doing.  But I had a blast because I could build the team with my own new players, and cactus's blog was entertaining as hell.  Anyways, I guess my point to all the vet owners out there who call Clarkson and others like it a "tard league" and whatnot, is that it seems like cultivating new owners is good for HBD on the whole.  A lot of us n00b owners as we're called, join public leagues like this one because we don't know to look elsewhere, or because the private leagues we do see require lots of experience and don't accept new owners, etc...  So I'm sure a lot new players who get taken advantage of tend to just say screw it and go spend their money elsewhere because there's no one there to veto because the good owners who do stick around find private leagues.   I'm guessing this is part of what went on in Clarkson for years.  I for one would like to help build Clarkson into a great world for newer players to join and learn and have fun, but not if I'm the only one.  I mean, I am green, so maybe I'm wrong on all this, and there are tons of new owners who don't run into these issues, but seems like with a lot of private worlds needing new owners, HBD could use all the players it can get right?

Anyways, that's my two cents for what it's worth, I am loving HBD even with the drama I've encountered in Clarkson, and there are numerous vet owners willing to help us new guys out learning the game.  Special thanks to tecwrg for his help as a mentor!

Posted by cactusmaz on 10/11/2010 9:10:00 PM (view original):
I'm not disagreeing that sox took over the team he did.  But that was the team that was abandoned and he came in.  It seems you fellas have a personal beef with him that I, one don't share, and two don't know the history of.  

That being said, he's been nothing but a help to the new owners that have come in the league.  Perhaps he's a little overzealous (passion is a good think in my book) about this particular topic.  But nonetheless, he's one of the people helping to make strides to remedy the problems of the world.  

It's beating a dead horse at this point.  No one is going to force jrcpga out and no one is going to bully him into leaving.  I'm taking the lead on making sure that doesn't happen now.   He'll simply have to play out the string so to speak.  Things will correct themselves with a little care.  It's probably just like when real baseball started.  Filled with uncompromising opportunists that took advantage.  It's something we're working on fixing.  

Posted by plague on 10/11/2010 9:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cactusmaz on 10/11/2010 9:10:00 PM (view original):
I'm not disagreeing that sox took over the team he did.  But that was the team that was abandoned and he came in.  It seems you fellas have a personal beef with him that I, one don't share, and two don't know the history of.  

That being said, he's been nothing but a help to the new owners that have come in the league.  Perhaps he's a little overzealous (passion is a good think in my book) about this particular topic.  But nonetheless, he's one of the people helping to make strides to remedy the problems of the world.  

It's beating a dead horse at this point.  No one is going to force jrcpga out and no one is going to bully him into leaving.  I'm taking the lead on making sure that doesn't happen now.   He'll simply have to play out the string so to speak.  Things will correct themselves with a little care.  It's probably just like when real baseball started.  Filled with uncompromising opportunists that took advantage.  It's something we're working on fixing.  

That may be the team he took over because it was abandon, but would of he taken over that abandon team if it was a crappy team? or would of he just let someone else take over that team? I think that is the part you are missing.

I look at his history and I see signs of a owner who wants the good teams handed to him. Everyone has their own preference, I like to take over lengthy rebuild teams that don't have long term contract problems. Some people like to take on immediate contenders, but don't act like you are trying to save the world from super teams while you personally take on a super team.

Posted by plague on 10/11/2010 8:11:00 PM (view original):
And its a holiday.

Posted by iain on 10/11/2010 11:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by plague on 10/11/2010 8:11:00 PM (view original):
And its a holiday.

Actually it already is.

Thanks for taking the time to celebrate Thanksgiving with your Northern Neighbours. 

Posted by soxfan121 on 10/11/2010 5:49:00 PM (view original):
Oh, and since I ignore MikeT, I have no idea what kind of crap he's spouting. I hope he's focused his considerable free time and charm to calling out and belittling jrcpga as only MikeT can do. But since I have little faith, MikeT has probably chosen to grind his considerable axe with me. 

FTR, I quit MikeT run worlds because I can't stand MikeT. I'm sure more than a few of you feel the same. If not - hey, different strokes for different folks. I took over a team in Foxx AFTER MikeT helped bust-it-up and have spent my time there educating new owners and contributing to the cleanup effort. I've spent more time in that world - and in all public worlds - than MikeT has and while I respect MikeT's knowledge of the game, I find his act to be overbearing, infantile and annoying. So, I ignore him and his posts. 

If anyone has questions about my efforts or motivations, I'm happy to answer them. Unless you are MikeT - he can go **** himself.

FWIW, I really, really like MikeT and disagree with every single word that sox has said here.

That being said, Mike, I've told you...I like the guy and he has been a great asset to Foxx.  I don't know about Clarkson, but I can only assume that he has been good there too.

And sox, really, i think you should lighten up on MikeT as well. You don't play in his worlds, and they are largely private, so they shouldn't bother you in your efforts.

Both of you guys...you find entertainment within the game in different ways.  I hate to see two people who are by and large good for HBD going at eachother like this. I wouldn't want to think that someone turns out disliking one guy because they listen to what the other has to say, when I really don't think there is anything bad about either of you.

Most of the time I wouldn't care about stuff like this, because whoever you guys are going after probably deserve it/and/or are idiots...but that isn't the case here.