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Jeez, you are really off your game today. I said nothing remotely close to that. Are you feeling OK?
2/28/2011 6:34 PM
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Your sarcastic tone conveyed a sense of "That's what politicians do.  Why should Obama be any different?"
2/28/2011 9:13 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/28/2011 3:57:00 PM (view original):

"I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president," he told ABC's "World News" anchor Diane Sawyer in an exclusive interview today.



I guess he's changed his mind.  I think John McCain would do what he thinks is right rather than what would get him re-elected. 

Girl, please.  Maybe the 2000 model--not this one.
3/1/2011 12:18 AM
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Whoops.  I just got done.

But still.
3/1/2011 12:20 AM
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He's 74.   A)  Grumpy old man effect.     B)  He certainly can't have illusions of being re-elected in 2016 at age 80.

3/1/2011 8:11 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/28/2011 9:13:00 PM (view original):
Your sarcastic tone conveyed a sense of "That's what politicians do.  Why should Obama be any different?"
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you were an O-bot.
3/1/2011 8:24 AM
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I'm a be accountable-bot.

3/1/2011 8:29 AM
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So lets go a little deeper into the Obama issue. See how that whole Hope and change thing is working out.

On Foreign policy and War on terror I think it is safe to call Obama Bush lite. Same actions, less bravado.

On the economy we see some improvement. I think Obama only delayed the rebound, but at least it is happening now. I know then Dems are rewriting history to make the whole Bush Administration an exonomic collapse but I remember newspaper stories in 2007 talking about the strong economy.

How about tranparency? Well this latest stunt just reaffirms that Obama is a tough Chicago boss style politician. He does whatever he can get away with to survive.

Now can someone remind me why Bush is stupid and Oabma is smart??
3/1/2011 3:57 PM
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He Obama'd me.
3/1/2011 4:44 PM
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Posted by stinenavy on 3/1/2011 4:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 2/28/2011 8:50:00 AM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 2/28/2011 12:34:00 AM (view original):
I never actually said I did. I support Gay Marriage.

The gay Marriage issue has become so odd in that it is the face of Gay Rights now. Not only does opposing gay marriage make you a homophobe, but being upset by some political shortcuts that are being made in defense of gay marriage now makes you a homophobe.

If the people vote for something, in a large percentage what standard do we use to reject their beliefs?

If congress votes for something, in large numbers, and the President gets to reject it, what standard are we using?
That wasn't my question.

You said you're for less government and more freedom.   Passing laws restricing individuals is more government and less freedom.   The fact that the current Prez isn't defending a law is less government and more freedom.

Seems to me that you'd be happy.
Did this ever get a response from swamphawk, or was it avoided?
Sorry I thought I had responded but was wrong...

The law is portrayed by some as restricting freedom, but in fact it grants each state the right to make a decision on this issue.

It makes a specifc definition on gay marriage for the purpose of Federal issues.

The first part promotes freedom. The second part could be restrictive, but some definition had to be made.

If this response is not in depth enough I can go on.

So my turn now. How is overturning an actual vote by the people a good thing ever? How is not defending a law that was passed by a huge margin recently a good thing? Why does the federal government get to decide these issues?
3/1/2011 7:26 PM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 3/1/2011 7:26:00 PM:
How is overturning an actual vote by the people a good thing ever?

Wow, never thought I'd see swampfuck defend HCR.
3/1/2011 8:59 PM
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It seems that according to swamp, laws that restict freedom, if done on a federal level, promote freedom, if done on a state level. If he really believes that, he's making state's rights into a fetish. Of course, I'm sure he doesn't really believe it enough to apply that reasoning on a consistent basis. For instance, I doubt he holds up gun control laws passed at state level as examples of promoting freedom.
3/1/2011 10:05 PM
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Posted by antonsirius on 3/1/2011 8:59:00 PM (view original):
Posted by swamphawk22 on 3/1/2011 7:26:00 PM:
How is overturning an actual vote by the people a good thing ever?

Wow, never thought I'd see swampfuck defend HCR.
Unlike HCR, Traditional marriage is supported by the people and has been voted for everytime the people have been asked.
3/1/2011 10:18 PM
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Posted by genghisxcon on 3/1/2011 10:05:00 PM (view original):
It seems that according to swamp, laws that restict freedom, if done on a federal level, promote freedom, if done on a state level. If he really believes that, he's making state's rights into a fetish. Of course, I'm sure he doesn't really believe it enough to apply that reasoning on a consistent basis. For instance, I doubt he holds up gun control laws passed at state level as examples of promoting freedom.
There is a difference between what a state should do, and what it can do.

Voting to ban Gay Marriage is limiting freedom. If the people decide that this issue should be handled a certain way you have to respect that.

We are a Republic.
3/1/2011 10:20 PM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 3/1/2011 10:20:00 PM (view original):
Posted by genghisxcon on 3/1/2011 10:05:00 PM (view original):
It seems that according to swamp, laws that restict freedom, if done on a federal level, promote freedom, if done on a state level. If he really believes that, he's making state's rights into a fetish. Of course, I'm sure he doesn't really believe it enough to apply that reasoning on a consistent basis. For instance, I doubt he holds up gun control laws passed at state level as examples of promoting freedom.
There is a difference between what a state should do, and what it can do.

Voting to ban Gay Marriage is limiting freedom. If the people decide that this issue should be handled a certain way you have to respect that.

We are a Republic.

Simple question: Do gun control laws, when passed at state level, promote freedom?

Yes or no?

3/1/2011 10:26 PM
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