Birther issue put to rest,... what's next? Topic

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/28/2011 8:23:00 AM (view original):
If you question any action of the President, you are a RACIST!!!!

It's very simple if you think about it.
If you question whether a African-American is actually American, you are a racist.

It's very simple if you think about it.
4/28/2011 8:28 AM
Very stupid if you think about it. 

Questioning citizenship of a man whose father traveled extensively isn't racist.

You've reached swamp-level dumbass.   Congrats.
4/28/2011 8:35 AM

The problem with people like you(is that RACIST!!!!?) is that you want everything to have racial undertones.   Everything doesn't.   There are people who disagree with Obama's policies.  They didn't want him to be President.   They don't want him to be President.  So, in the political game, they look for something.  In the article I posted earlier, McCain's health was questioned.   Bush's drinking in college was questioned.  Clinton's failure to inhale was questioned.   Infidelity has always been a hot button topic.   In this case, we have/had a candidate who's father was a Kenyan who traveled extensively.  The candidate wasn't born on the mainland.  Those two facts were used in an attempt to sway people who were/are undecided on the candidate. 

4/28/2011 9:01 AM
Posted by antonsirius on 4/27/2011 10:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by silentpadna on 4/27/2011 9:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 4/27/2011 9:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/27/2011 9:20:00 PM (view original):

swamp is seldom right.   He is this time.   Presidents get ****.  Obama gets ****.  Same thing, different ****. 

Only in this case it's racist ****, which means it isn't at all the same.

It's like saying "Catholics use crosses. The Klan uses crosses. Same thing."
Racist?  Seriously?  Jeez, when you're not focused on swamp, at least you had a coherent argument, even when I disagreed with you...but racist??????

I don't even know where to go with that.  You wanna let us know where that ties in? 
Yes, I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that white Presidents and Presidential candidates who weren't born in the US, or had parents who weren't born in the US, didn't have to go through this.

What do you need, a Venn diagram? Birtherism is racist ****. It's also desperate and pathetic, which is why I laugh it off most of the time. But Obama having to show his papers was a disgrace, and I don't much feel like laughing right now.
The one making the racism assertions ought to be able to provide foundation.  It's your assertion and you base your assertion on.... "this didn't happen to white presidents".

Whether someone has chased the issue on prior presidents or not is irrelevant.  If it is relevant, you should be able to show why.  All you have done is assert it.  I would submit that if Clinton or Bush or anyone else was providing wholesale changes to our way of life and their was question as to the legitimacy of their birth, opponents would be going down the same road.

Clinton and his scandal affecting the civil trial....

Bush and the national guard stuff...

Opponents look for anything they can find to try to go after political enemies.  I'm not saying it's right.  I'm certainly not in on this whole "birther" thing, but I suspect it's been mostly politics (by both the "birthers" in the chase, and Obama in his timing of the release - which I totally understand).  None of this stuff proves any kind of racism.  Even if you were to find a certain number of "birthers" who happen to be racist, it does not logically follow that the issue itself is driven by race.  Doesn't it stand to reason in today's political climate and ease of information that if there were doubts about where Clinton/Bush were born, or whether their parents were natural born citizens (or however their aruguments go) that the same thing would happen?

Personally I can't stand Obama as a president.  I think his policies are harmful for this country and contrary to the values I hold.  Like I said before, if it is shown that he doesn't qualify, only then does that become an issue.  And if it was an issue, it would not make me a racist any more than disagreeing with his policies would.  If the birther thing is not an issue (and it appears to not be one - as I always thought), I could care less. 
4/28/2011 9:38 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/28/2011 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Very stupid if you think about it. 

Questioning citizenship of a man whose father traveled extensively isn't racist.

You've reached swamp-level dumbass.   Congrats.
Maybe not, but just out of curiosity, what would you call questioning the citizenship of a man who's citizenship had been proven beyond any doubt years ago?


4/28/2011 10:00 AM
Politics.
4/28/2011 10:06 AM
To expand upon that just a little bit, it doesn't have to be true.   It just has to be questioned to reach certain people.    Just another version of mudslinging.  

A simple example.   Mark Sanford(former Gov of SC) admitted to an affair.   Big to do.   So, in the next election, a female candidate was accused of an affair.  Totally unfounded but, with the scandal of Sanford fresh on people's minds, it was a good politics.   She stopped being Nikki Haley-candidate to "that whore who wants to be Governor" to some people.   Seed planted, mission accomplished.
4/28/2011 10:12 AM
This is great! We have all of the right side spending all of their energy denying the racist charge. Should keep them busy for quite a while.
4/28/2011 10:18 AM
Actually, most of us are just laughing at the stupidity of the RACIST!!!!! charge.
4/28/2011 10:21 AM
See what I mean? Laugh all you want.......what is relevant here is perception. You people are perceived as racists and laughing will not change the fact.
4/28/2011 10:36 AM
Perhaps but, if you're laughing at those who perceive it, does it matter?
4/28/2011 10:42 AM
It does when they represent the people you will count on to vote your way.
4/28/2011 10:44 AM
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/28/2011 8:35:00 AM (view original):
Very stupid if you think about it. 

Questioning citizenship of a man whose father traveled extensively isn't racist.

You've reached swamp-level dumbass.   Congrats.
Gosh, if only we had some sort of test case, where one presidential candidate was black but born in the US, and the other was white and not born in the US, and then see which one gets accused of being un-American.

The really sad part about this exchange, Mike, is that you don't care at all. It doesn't matter to you what goes on in the real world. This is just another opportunity for you to engage in an RSF. Yay, you win. Congratulations.

We're done here.
4/28/2011 10:51 AM
Posted by silentpadna on 4/28/2011 9:38:00 AM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 4/27/2011 10:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by silentpadna on 4/27/2011 9:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by antonsirius on 4/27/2011 9:28:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 4/27/2011 9:20:00 PM (view original):

swamp is seldom right.   He is this time.   Presidents get ****.  Obama gets ****.  Same thing, different ****. 

Only in this case it's racist ****, which means it isn't at all the same.

It's like saying "Catholics use crosses. The Klan uses crosses. Same thing."
Racist?  Seriously?  Jeez, when you're not focused on swamp, at least you had a coherent argument, even when I disagreed with you...but racist??????

I don't even know where to go with that.  You wanna let us know where that ties in? 
Yes, I'm sure it's a complete coincidence that white Presidents and Presidential candidates who weren't born in the US, or had parents who weren't born in the US, didn't have to go through this.

What do you need, a Venn diagram? Birtherism is racist ****. It's also desperate and pathetic, which is why I laugh it off most of the time. But Obama having to show his papers was a disgrace, and I don't much feel like laughing right now.
The one making the racism assertions ought to be able to provide foundation.  It's your assertion and you base your assertion on.... "this didn't happen to white presidents".

Whether someone has chased the issue on prior presidents or not is irrelevant.  If it is relevant, you should be able to show why.  All you have done is assert it.  I would submit that if Clinton or Bush or anyone else was providing wholesale changes to our way of life and their was question as to the legitimacy of their birth, opponents would be going down the same road.

Clinton and his scandal affecting the civil trial....

Bush and the national guard stuff...

Opponents look for anything they can find to try to go after political enemies.  I'm not saying it's right.  I'm certainly not in on this whole "birther" thing, but I suspect it's been mostly politics (by both the "birthers" in the chase, and Obama in his timing of the release - which I totally understand).  None of this stuff proves any kind of racism.  Even if you were to find a certain number of "birthers" who happen to be racist, it does not logically follow that the issue itself is driven by race.  Doesn't it stand to reason in today's political climate and ease of information that if there were doubts about where Clinton/Bush were born, or whether their parents were natural born citizens (or however their aruguments go) that the same thing would happen?

Personally I can't stand Obama as a president.  I think his policies are harmful for this country and contrary to the values I hold.  Like I said before, if it is shown that he doesn't qualify, only then does that become an issue.  And if it was an issue, it would not make me a racist any more than disagreeing with his policies would.  If the birther thing is not an issue (and it appears to not be one - as I always thought), I could care less. 
The assertion that a black man is not truly American, despite every shred of available evidence saying he is, is transparantly racist.

I'd say the onus is on you to demonstrate how it isn't. Claiming that it's just "politics as usual" isn't enough, since those two categories - racist attack and politics as usual - aren't mutually exclusive. It's not like questioning his citizenship is the only possible line of attack that can be used against him.

Again, as I said in my final post to Mike on this: Obama was born in the US. McCain was not - he was born in Panama. And yet it's Obama whose citizenship is questioned. I say that's due to the color of Obama's skin and his "funny" name. if you can offer another reason why that specific attack (and not another) was launched against him (and not McCain), I'd love to hear it.
4/28/2011 11:03 AM
And also, padna, just to be clear: there is absolutely no question as to the legitimacy of Obama's birth in Hawaii, to a mother who was an American citizen. None.

This is an entirely manufactured controversy. So again, why this specific line of attack, if not to appeal to racists?
4/28/2011 11:07 AM
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