ODL XXXVI Team composition and discussion Topic

there's one guy left I absolutely cannot believe is still on the board. Originally he's the guy I was intending to trade up to get, but unfortunately I realized I couldn't make the salary work, and before I could think to rescind my offer leibo accepted. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite me.

The 4 guys I have right now have combined reb % of 35/93. Of course, Boerwinkle and Humphries barely play 4000 minutes between them, so I have a lot of work to do with my big men. Feeling OK, hoping I can get the guys I want with my 3 5th round picks.
8/2/2011 9:25 AM
Interesting draft. Some wild picks.. just a few comments in lieu of me joining this time:

Favorite team thus far: 98s efg lords. Super strong Paint and Grant is a near perfect fit with low negatives to offset Dwight but still does most everything else a bit.

Favorite individual pick thus far (not including the obvious studs) is the only player to have: 100% @ SF, 60% efg, 17%+ usage, and 300, 400, no 500+ FTAs (+25 creb% to boot). He has 2 seasons of that awesomeness and he lasted til the end of the 3rd round. In-sane (very close 2nd favorite is Marques Johnson in the 4th round... wow).
8/2/2011 9:31 AM
Posted by tarheel1991 on 8/2/2011 9:25:00 AM (view original):
there's one guy left I absolutely cannot believe is still on the board. Originally he's the guy I was intending to trade up to get, but unfortunately I realized I couldn't make the salary work, and before I could think to rescind my offer leibo accepted. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite me.

The 4 guys I have right now have combined reb % of 35/93. Of course, Boerwinkle and Humphries barely play 4000 minutes between them, so I have a lot of work to do with my big men. Feeling OK, hoping I can get the guys I want with my 3 5th round picks.
LOL Tarheel, that's why I accepted the offer.  Had so many good options I couldnt make my mind up.  Plus there's one particular guy that I would like but that means I need to pair him with someone else.  Hope it works out but if it doesn't I'll still have some good options
8/2/2011 9:37 AM
Posted by garyman on 8/2/2011 9:31:00 AM (view original):
Interesting draft. Some wild picks.. just a few comments in lieu of me joining this time:

Favorite team thus far: 98s efg lords. Super strong Paint and Grant is a near perfect fit with low negatives to offset Dwight but still does most everything else a bit.

Favorite individual pick thus far (not including the obvious studs) is the only player to have: 100% @ SF, 60% efg, 17%+ usage, and 300, 400, no 500+ FTAs (+25 creb% to boot). He has 2 seasons of that awesomeness and he lasted til the end of the 3rd round. In-sane (very close 2nd favorite is Marques Johnson in the 4th round... wow).
I was close to taking Maxwell in the 3rd, but I screwed myself on usage by taking Gilmore.  Shoulda taken Admiral or Shaq. 
IMO Nance = Maxwell,  and malone was smart to grab him where he did-




8/2/2011 11:24 AM
The following is based on a quick rating system that I made and have and will again pick against.

Round 1:

Steal: David Robinson - The Admiral gives you good usage, and great defense and rebounding and is probably a better choice than a couple of centers that went before him (although I do like Howard's positional flexibility).  A completely legit #6 pick, so getting him at #15 has to go down as a steal.

Puzzler: Bill Russell - I love Bill Russell.  I love him as a person and as a champion and as a Celtic and as a civil rights leader.  I may love him as much as it is possible to love someone I don't actually know.  As a player in the ODL, however...  He has a terrible TS% that good rebounding does not fully make up for, and now his defense is a bit suspect as well.  He is kind of nominal for the league at all, and might be better picked in the 5th round +/-.

Round 2: 

Steal Dr. J.  You know he has a DR of 100 for multiple seasons, right?  You know that he has a decent TS% considering his usage and you can use him as a guard, maybe even a point guard, and he has great rebounding percentages for a guard, right.  At #9 I had to toss a coin between him and Barkley, and I think I might have chosen wrong.  How did you ever ever ever ever ever... let this guy go until the 2nd round?????

Honorable Mention - Larry Nance

Puzzler: John Stockton  I want to start by saying that my rating system can penalize you for having too many assists, but, even with that in mind, well, he is almost always over priced, because you will almost always get too many assists when you have him.  Also, though he does give you lots of assists, if you are taking the kind of players what will require him, he is not entirely unique, and you do not need to take him in the 2nd round
 
Round 3:
Steal:   Horace Grant* The General has good defense, good rebounding and a super-phenomenal FG%. He is a completely legit mid to late 1st round pick.
Puzzler: Tie Isiah Thomas, Kevin Porter. I hope he didn’t mean Terry Porter, ‘cause that would kinda suck. As for Thomas, I would draft Tyrus,Kurt, Kenny, Etan, Ron, Tim and Carl before Isiah. (but not John!)
 
Steals, well you won’t need much luck, and Puzzlers, good luck proving my wrong.

*2nd choice, but i don't like to brag.  Much.
8/2/2011 4:58 PM
Actually, I just noticed that I am missing 16 John Stockton's season from my data for some reason.  (grr) so I take it back about him for at least the moment.
8/2/2011 5:36 PM
Posted by appleseed1 on 8/2/2011 4:59:00 PM (view original):
The following is based on a quick rating system that I made and have and will again pick against.

Round 1:

Steal: David Robinson - The Admiral gives you good usage, and great defense and rebounding and is probably a better choice than a couple of centers that went before him (although I do like Howard's positional flexibility).  A completely legit #6 pick, so getting him at #15 has to go down as a steal.

Puzzler: Bill Russell - I love Bill Russell.  I love him as a person and as a champion and as a Celtic and as a civil rights leader.  I may love him as much as it is possible to love someone I don't actually know.  As a player in the ODL, however...  He has a terrible TS% that good rebounding does not fully make up for, and now his defense is a bit suspect as well.  He is kind of nominal for the league at all, and might be better picked in the 5th round +/-.

Round 2: 

Steal Dr. J.  You know he has a DR of 100 for multiple seasons, right?  You know that he has a decent TS% considering his usage and you can use him as a guard, maybe even a point guard, and he has great rebounding percentages for a guard, right.  At #9 I had to toss a coin between him and Barkley, and I think I might have chosen wrong.  How did you ever ever ever ever ever... let this guy go until the 2nd round?????

Honorable Mention - Larry Nance

Puzzler: John Stockton  I want to start by saying that my rating system can penalize you for having too many assists, but, even with that in mind, well, he is almost always over priced, because you will almost always get too many assists when you have him.  Also, though he does give you lots of assists, if you are taking the kind of players what will require him, he is not entirely unique, and you do not need to take him in the 2nd round
 
Round 3:
Steal:   Horace Grant* The General has good defense, good rebounding and a super-phenomenal FG%. He is a completely legit mid to late 1st round pick.
Puzzler: Tie Isiah Thomas, Kevin Porter. I hope he didn’t mean Terry Porter, ‘cause that would kinda suck. As for Thomas, I would draft Tyrus,Kurt, Kenny, Etan, Ron, Tim and Carl before Isiah. (but not John!)
 
Steals, well you won’t need much luck, and Puzzlers, good luck proving my wrong.

*2nd choice, but i don't like to brag.  Much.
I disagree with almost everything you said there.

*Russell's low usage negates much of the problem with his low TS%.  His defense is not suspect, it's just not elite like it should be.  Good luck finding anybody that can sniff 70 defense and 44% creb% in round 5.  He's most definitely an early/mid 2nd round pick.

*Dr. J at 9 would be terrible.  He rebounds well for a guard, true, but he gives you nothing from the perimeter and has very meh fg% with a couple of exceptions.  He also doesn't get to the line a ton.  He's a late 2nd/early 3rd rounder and is one of those guys that ends up hurting the owner who drafts him more than helps him.

*Nance wasn't really a steal... he went where he should have gone

*You should fix your system because too many assists just plain don't happen.  Well, it can, but only if you do something ludicrous like have Stockton, Kidd, Bird & bullwinkle on the floor at the same time.  All assists do is help your team shoot better.  More is better.  Also, there is the absolutely insane 60% efg% Stockton season that gives you a good number of threes at a high percentage.  Only downfall of Stockton is rebounding, but many elite PGs suffer this as well.

*I don't think Horace's phenomenal fg% season is 100% sf, but I could be wrong.

You're right on about Admiral, Zeke & Porter though.
8/2/2011 6:11 PM
I couldn't disagree more with your Russell assessment, appleseed. I picked Russell up 16th in the first round of the 52m draft league and he's putting up these numbers:

Name GP GS Min Pts FG% 3Pt% FT% OReb Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF
64-65 Bill Russell 64 64 42.3 13.3 49.8 0 56.1 3.4 16.9 5.5 2.7 1.5 3.5 2.5

Nominal my ***.
8/2/2011 7:06 PM
whoa appleseed...thats kind of a wacky rating system if you ask me

- im with emp on this one...russell is a stud...and hes still an elite defender if you ask me...dreb% and fp48 to me are just as important for a big man as blk% and def rating...russell gives you 40+ elite mins in both dreb% and fp48...if your ratings tell you that he is 5th round material then yea....them be broke

- both went later then they should have but i still think shaq is the round 1 steal....id take shaq over drob, though that is debatable

- dr j at 9? your rating favors defense waaaaay too much

- grant is a great fit for any team at the 3...but first round?...no way

- stockton went right were he should have...while not as important as boards, you still need assists and stockton is the rodman of passing
8/2/2011 8:11 PM
you should have bragged though...mchale is a greeeaaattt pick....he and barkley together?...and theres still a few really good pgs to get them the ball? could be very scary....i usually like both of those guys at the 3 but you could make this work im sure

steal of the draft is drexler though...4th round is crazy
8/2/2011 8:15 PM
I appreciate saying that my Nance pick was a steal, but I feel that is not true in today's sim.  3 or 4 years ago he was a first rounder, but not anymore.  I did think that Kemp was a steal however, even more than Grant considering that I get about 54% efg, 13% oreb, 23% dreb, almost 500 fta and 3rd tier usage with a 100 D rating...Grant is nice don't get me wrong but 15.5% usage on 58% efg with lower D almost the same oreb and lower dreb you mainly have Grant for rebounding as he will not be a regularly viable scoring option
8/2/2011 10:03 PM
Is Jones new to the ODL? Do I get a prize?


In real life would you buy a ticket just to see somebody try to drive the basket with Walton and Jones in front of him?
8/2/2011 10:56 PM
finally someone takes Ginobili...he was who I was wanting to trade up for, but couldn't make salary work.
8/2/2011 11:34 PM
Posted by robocoach on 8/2/2011 10:56:00 PM (view original):
Is Jones new to the ODL? Do I get a prize?


In real life would you buy a ticket just to see somebody try to drive the basket with Walton and Jones in front of him?
You would get a prize if he wasn't on my radar already. Surprising numbers from that guy.
8/3/2011 12:27 AM
Posted by ashamael on 7/31/2011 5:34:00 PM (view original):
DH555:

I made a team around Howard to put in an OL.  NBA38815 if you wanna hop in or just follow along and see how he does.  30ppg might be a tad out of reach, but I think with how I built it, it's not an unreasonable expectation.  11.5 usage points in the starting line-up (6 from Howard, 0.5 from Rodman, 1 from Kidd, 2 each from two guys that haven't been drafted here so I can't say their names... not sure either will get drafted though... anyway), which should be enough to not cripple me with individual penalties on fg%... turnovers are going to be a royal *****, though.  Really emphasized efg% this time instead of possessions - Over 900 drafted 3s - but with 35/98 rebounding in SL, I should still be pretty good in the possession battle, though, so we'll see what happens.  I feel a 55ish win team without knowing any of my competition at this point.  Weak division could put me into the 60s... tough one into the 40s. 
I took the liberty of entering this league as well, how do you feel about our division ash?  I think there are 2 very, very, beatable teams 2 good teams, and 2 teams that could go far in the playoffs.

I am penciling my team in for 52 wins based on the strength of the division.
8/4/2011 8:04 AM
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