What is the proper role of government in the US? Topic

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9/11/2011 6:37 AM
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Posted by swamphawk22 on 9/3/2011 8:15:00 PM (view original):
You introduced job creation as a seperate topic that defined the issue.

When I said job creation was fine I meant that people were working and the economy was expanding. No one cared about some made up stat.
Swampy Swampy Swampy, it seems as though you are still doing it eh.  If you think that the graphic showing job growth isnt an excellent way to show the strength of the economy then why dont you pull out a graphic that shows that Bush indeed was a good leader for the economy?  And make sure that it is a credible source too.  And dont have it be just gdp growth of 45-55 yr old white American executives.  How about something that shows the entire countries economy?, something that shows an increase all the way to the day he stepped out of office.
9/11/2011 9:01 PM
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http://www.nidataplus.com/lfeus1.htm#annl

How about the unemployment rate was stable. Seems like a better indicator.

And does Bush get any credit for his situation? Obama gets the "It isnt his fault" get out of jail card.

Bush had 9/11 and multiple devestating hurricaines. And he kept the economy stable.
9/12/2011 12:50 PM
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Stable?  4% when he took office, 4.6% when he left, and in 2003 it was at 6%.  That doesnt sound too stable to me.  a 50% uptick in unemployment sounds anything but.  And the entire time he was in office it never hit the 4% it was when he took (stole) the office. 

Bush had 9-11

Obama inherited the market blow-up in 2008.

Both significant, unquestionably one was (and is) a greater influence on the entire worlds economy.  'nuff said.
9/12/2011 2:22 PM
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What if we eliminate the welfare system (which basically allows generation after generation of people to live without working by getting tax-payer dollars mailed to them every month).

Let the rich liberals (who support the ridiculous system) support them through voluntary donations and such. 

The govt. should not be playing Robin Hood.

9/12/2011 4:09 PM
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And Bush was a GOP president that spent like a liberal and did not help the economy, no matter how you spin.

Though, I'll admit, he didn't do as much harm as Obama has.
9/12/2011 4:10 PM
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Phil, you make it sound like the welfare system is such a huge drain.  You know what is a huge drain?  how about the 1.2 TRILLION dollars, yes that is a million millions that have been spend between the Afghan and Iraq wars.  Take those away and you dont have the financial problems that you have.  Many people simply cant work and the reasons are varied.  Many people can and should be working, but choose not to because of many reasons maybe the biggest one is they are lazy, and for these people I dont hold a lot of sympathy for.  But maybe there are better alternatives then to simply take away welfare, how about workfare?

And Im no lover of Obama, he made a heck of a lot of promises and has reneged on many of them.  He is as much of a lier as any politician out there.

9/12/2011 4:21 PM
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Why not just elminate the military altogether?
9/12/2011 4:23 PM
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$571 billion (+58.6%) – Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending

Unemployment is one thing because people pay into that their whole working life.

Welfare is quite different.

In fact, I have personal experience with welfare. My parents divorced when I was 16. My mother had two young children and a teen-age daughter to raise by herself, and when she applied for welfare she was turned down.

The lady actually asked her if all of her children had the same father. When she replied yes, the lady said "that's your problem. if your children had 3 different fathers you would qualify easily". 

So basically, the mindset is if you are irresponsible, the gov't is glad to take care of you, but if you live a responsible life and then have a life change that puts you in a situation where you could use some help, no such luck.

Great system!
9/12/2011 4:47 PM (edited)
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greeny doesn't understand.   He's Canadian.   If not for us and our wasteful military, the Mexicans would have taken Canada(and probably have given it back) years ago. 
9/12/2011 4:39 PM
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And greeny, I would argue to eliminate all of the money we just give away to countries ( Billions to Pakistan comes to mind right away) every year, before I would argue against the military campaigns that have helped to dismantle Al-Qaeda, and made the world a safer place.

I like the fact that America has a sense of duty to help others, but when we are going farther and farther in debt, we really need to help ourselves before we can help others monetarily.
9/12/2011 4:45 PM
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And I love how the liberals keep crying "raise taxes on the rich" "everyone should pay their fair share", when there are SO MANY who pay NOTHING into the system but keep that hand out all their life.

9/12/2011 4:49 PM
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Posted by greeny9 on 9/12/2011 4:21:00 PM (view original):
Phil, you make it sound like the welfare system is such a huge drain.  You know what is a huge drain?  how about the 1.2 TRILLION dollars, yes that is a million millions that have been spend between the Afghan and Iraq wars.  Take those away and you dont have the financial problems that you have.  Many people simply cant work and the reasons are varied.  Many people can and should be working, but choose not to because of many reasons maybe the biggest one is they are lazy, and for these people I dont hold a lot of sympathy for.  But maybe there are better alternatives then to simply take away welfare, how about workfare?

And Im no lover of Obama, he made a heck of a lot of promises and has reneged on many of them.  He is as much of a lier as any politician out there.

So 1.2 trillion for the Iraq and afghan wars over 8+ years.

How about spending a large percentage of that on Obama's worthless stimulus package?

What was a better deal?
9/12/2011 4:59 PM
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THE LATTER
9/12/2011 5:12 PM
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yes anton, the latter has proven to be such a big help.
9/12/2011 5:14 PM
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