cburton- what is the full breakdown of GC's record, home/away, non-conference like I broke your team down side by side with yours?

21-8
13-3 Conf
9-4 home
9-4 road
1-6 vs Top 25
5-5 non-con
3-7 vs Top 50
6-1 vs 50-100

did you send a ticket? you want to know why, ask the people who know not the people who can only speculate...

No speculation is more fun. It's spawned 4 pages here.

thats cool - I've got to read something!

I've never liked last 10 games being a part of the criteria.  Supposedly the real selection committee looks at it.  It seems that could be really flawed though.  If you are in a tough conference with a team that is on the bubble, you could easily struggle if your division is tough.  My Allen team would be a good example, though I don't really think I have a chance this season at the NT.

Posted by barretchap on 10/22/2011 11:40:00 PM (view original):
I've never liked last 10 games being a part of the criteria.  Supposedly the real selection committee looks at it.  It seems that could be really flawed though.  If you are in a tough conference with a team that is on the bubble, you could easily struggle if your division is tough.  My Allen team would be a good example, though I don't really think I have a chance this season at the NT.

I agree, the last 10 games shouldn't be included. In RL, it shows a team peaking at the right time with good momentum and great confidence..  But WIS doesn't have a psychological element so momentum and confidence are useless.

Posted by alblack56 on 10/23/2011 5:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by barretchap on 10/22/2011 11:40:00 PM (view original):
I've never liked last 10 games being a part of the criteria.  Supposedly the real selection committee looks at it.  It seems that could be really flawed though.  If you are in a tough conference with a team that is on the bubble, you could easily struggle if your division is tough.  My Allen team would be a good example, though I don't really think I have a chance this season at the NT.

I agree, the last 10 games shouldn't be included. In RL, it shows a team peaking at the right time with good momentum and great confidence..  But WIS doesn't have a psychological element so momentum and confidence are useless.

+1

Posted by cburton23 on 10/22/2011 7:41:00 PM (view original):
If its not that then what. You still haven't explained why GC got a 4 and I got a 7 outside of a CT win in the 8th best conference. The biggest difference between us is ranking.

But as stated above I play a 15 so it worked out. But this is a darn good 15.

CT and 1 more win pushed him over the edge. I think I have said this in numerous posts in this thread already. 

Posted by tianyi7886 on 10/23/2011 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cburton23 on 10/22/2011 7:41:00 PM (view original):
If its not that then what. You still haven't explained why GC got a 4 and I got a 7 outside of a CT win in the 8th best conference. The biggest difference between us is ranking.

But as stated above I play a 15 so it worked out. But this is a darn good 15.

CT and 1 more win pushed him over the edge. I think I have said this in numerous posts in this thread already. 

Sorry, I don't think that's a good explanation. I don't think that GC had the better resume. Certainly not enough for 3 spots.

Do you not think that there's an issue with seeding?

Posted by girt25 on 10/23/2011 7:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 10/23/2011 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cburton23 on 10/22/2011 7:41:00 PM (view original):
If its not that then what. You still haven't explained why GC got a 4 and I got a 7 outside of a CT win in the 8th best conference. The biggest difference between us is ranking.

But as stated above I play a 15 so it worked out. But this is a darn good 15.

CT and 1 more win pushed him over the edge. I think I have said this in numerous posts in this thread already. 

Sorry, I don't think that's a good explanation. I don't think that GC had the better resume. Certainly not enough for 3 spots.

Do you not think that there's an issue with seeding?

+1

Posted by girt25 on 10/23/2011 7:03:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tianyi7886 on 10/23/2011 3:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cburton23 on 10/22/2011 7:41:00 PM (view original):
If its not that then what. You still haven't explained why GC got a 4 and I got a 7 outside of a CT win in the 8th best conference. The biggest difference between us is ranking.

But as stated above I play a 15 so it worked out. But this is a darn good 15.

CT and 1 more win pushed him over the edge. I think I have said this in numerous posts in this thread already. 

Sorry, I don't think that's a good explanation. I don't think that GC had the better resume. Certainly not enough for 3 spots.

Do you not think that there's an issue with seeding?

There are some problems with seeding but this isn't one of them. Why isn't more wins a good explanation for a better seed? Point of playing sports is to win games, not to lose games against good opponents.

You can talk about h2h record among the two teams all you want, but that should only matter when everything else is equal. In this case, GC had 1 more win and a conference title, so not everything is equal. Just look at conf tournament seeding, h2h record only comes in as a tiebreak and is not part of the seeding equation. 

In order to justify cburton's team ahead of GC, you have to explain why wins don't matter in this case? It's not like GC went 21-8 and won the CT with a 100+ SOS or in a bottom tier D2 conf. He had the #5 SOS and his conf was ranked #8 out of 23 conf. Sure, Eastern New Mexico's Conf is rated #1 but he didn't even make it to the CT championship game; he lost in the semis. If he made it to the CT Championship game and lost, then sure, I'll bite, but fact is, at the end of the day, GC had 1 more win and a Conf title, while Eastern New Mexico has 1 less win and didn't even make it to his conf title game. 

So should Boise have been in the NC game in CFB the past few years? They won more games? Every year there are teams that win 25 games in NCAAB that get left out of the dance. If the difference is 3-4 wins, ok. But 1 win? And CT wins are soley dependant on how good the conference is so using that as a factor is just silly.

Posted by alblack56 on 10/23/2011 5:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by barretchap on 10/22/2011 11:40:00 PM (view original):
I've never liked last 10 games being a part of the criteria.  Supposedly the real selection committee looks at it.  It seems that could be really flawed though.  If you are in a tough conference with a team that is on the bubble, you could easily struggle if your division is tough.  My Allen team would be a good example, though I don't really think I have a chance this season at the NT.

I agree, the last 10 games shouldn't be included. In RL, it shows a team peaking at the right time with good momentum and great confidence..  But WIS doesn't have a psychological element so momentum and confidence are useless.

"Momentum" in real life could easily equate to a coach finding a lineup that works or changing gameplanning settings.  Do I think last 10 should have a lot of weight?  No.  Any?  Maybe, maybe not.  But I do think there is some value, even if only minimal.

Posted by cburton23 on 10/23/2011 8:39:00 PM (view original):
So should Boise have been in the NC game in CFB the past few years? They won more games? Every year there are teams that win 25 games in NCAAB that get left out of the dance. If the difference is 3-4 wins, ok. But 1 win? And CT wins are soley dependant on how good the conference is so using that as a factor is just silly.

You are making it sound like GC is in all an sim conf, which it's not.

You have a better record against rpi 1-50 with 6-6, but GC has better record against rpi 50-100. On top of that, you lost a game against a team with rpi 100-200. How often have we seen a team get dropped in seeding for March Madness due to "bad losses?"

You win the rpi 1-50 battle, GC win the rpi 50-100 battle, and the rpi 100-200 battle, so this is pretty much a wash. GC has 1 more win and a CT in a #8 conf, pushing him over the edge.