Posted by salag on 12/17/2011 1:39:00 PM (view original):
May I suggest going back to the old way of doing things and then testing new ways of job selection and posting the results for feedback?

Makes people happy in the short-term and will have a fix battle-tested-ready for when it is implemented into the game?

THIS.

Absolutely, postively, 100%.

The old way is at least familiar and not a complete debacle -- get the numerous, significant bugs worked out of the new way, and then roll it out again when it's ready.

Pretty please, seble?

Pretty please change it back before the job changes are done in Wooden!!!

I don't know how hard it would be to program, but it seems to me like the best way to handle these problems is to use the old system to determine whether or not a coach qualifies for a job, and if more than one qualified coach applies, the new system will determine which of them gets the job.  At least this could be used until Seble has a chance to work out the kinks in the system which currently determines how much success you need to meet the minimum requirements.  

Please Seble change it back you will keep a lot of customers!

They aren't doing anything about the problem. I sent in a ticket and all I got was this lame response:

"Thanks for the feedback. We're monitoring the response to the last release and will make any necessary adjustments once we have enough information to determine what those adjustments should be."

How much information do they need? What they intended to implement to make hiring logic better simply has had the exact opposite effect. NO ONE CAN GET A JOB!

The process stunk before and it stinks now. It rewards coaches who jump teams year to year always being on a good NT ready team for a year or two then leaving. I just lost out on a job in Wooden to a coach who will be on his 3rd team in 4 seasons.  How does a coach with 3 seasons experience through 2 different teams get a job over the past 10 season resume if that is what is considered including more recent seasons. 

can making the PIT championship hurt that much? Especially since my team is in a power conference in Wooden which makes winning even harder? I am not posting the other coach's resume as to not call him out personally.

My last 10 seasons:

55	mjp8	18-13	7-7	8-4	3-2	9-7		48	B	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
54	mjp8	16-14	7-6	7-6	2-2	10-6		60	B	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
53	mjp8	19-10	7-4	11-4	1-2	13-3		41	B+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
52	mjp8	18-16	10-4	5-10	3-2	9-7		49	B+	PI (Championship Game)
51	mjp8	23-9	11-3	8-4	4-2	13-3	25	17	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
50	mjp8	27-4	14-1	9-2	4-1	16-0	6	8	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
49	mjp8	25-6	11-1	10-4	4-1	14-2	21	16	A-	CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
48	mjp8	18-10	7-6	10-3	1-1	12-4		178	B-
47	mjp8	21-9	8-3	11-4	2-2	14-2	22	22	B+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
46	mjp8	25-8	9-2	11-4	5-2	13-3	11	10	B	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)

Posted by mjp8 on 12/18/2011 8:12:00 AM (view original):
The process stunk before and it stinks now. It rewards coaches who jump teams year to year always being on a good NT ready team for a year or two then leaving. I just lost out on a job in Wooden to a coach who will be on his 3rd team in 4 seasons.  How does a coach with 3 seasons experience through 2 different teams get a job over the past 10 season resume if that is what is considered including more recent seasons. 

can making the PIT championship hurt that much? Especially since my team is in a power conference in Wooden which makes winning even harder? I am not posting the other coach's resume as to not call him out personally.

My last 10 seasons:

55	mjp8	18-13	7-7	8-4	3-2	9-7		48	B	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
54	mjp8	16-14	7-6	7-6	2-2	10-6		60	B	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
53	mjp8	19-10	7-4	11-4	1-2	13-3		41	B+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
52	mjp8	18-16	10-4	5-10	3-2	9-7		49	B+	PI (Championship Game)
51	mjp8	23-9	11-3	8-4	4-2	13-3	25	17	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
50	mjp8	27-4	14-1	9-2	4-1	16-0	6	8	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
49	mjp8	25-6	11-1	10-4	4-1	14-2	21	16	A-	CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
48	mjp8	18-10	7-6	10-3	1-1	12-4		178	B-
47	mjp8	21-9	8-3	11-4	2-2	14-2	22	22	B+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
46	mjp8	25-8	9-2	11-4	5-2	13-3	11	10	B	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)

I think we need something to compare this to...

Posted by coolman97865 on 12/18/2011 11:03:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mjp8 on 12/18/2011 8:12:00 AM (view original):
The process stunk before and it stinks now. It rewards coaches who jump teams year to year always being on a good NT ready team for a year or two then leaving. I just lost out on a job in Wooden to a coach who will be on his 3rd team in 4 seasons.  How does a coach with 3 seasons experience through 2 different teams get a job over the past 10 season resume if that is what is considered including more recent seasons. 

can making the PIT championship hurt that much? Especially since my team is in a power conference in Wooden which makes winning even harder? I am not posting the other coach's resume as to not call him out personally.

My last 10 seasons:

55	mjp8	18-13	7-7	8-4	3-2	9-7		48	B	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
54	mjp8	16-14	7-6	7-6	2-2	10-6		60	B	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
53	mjp8	19-10	7-4	11-4	1-2	13-3		41	B+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
52	mjp8	18-16	10-4	5-10	3-2	9-7		49	B+	PI (Championship Game)
51	mjp8	23-9	11-3	8-4	4-2	13-3	25	17	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
50	mjp8	27-4	14-1	9-2	4-1	16-0	6	8	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
49	mjp8	25-6	11-1	10-4	4-1	14-2	21	16	A-	CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
48	mjp8	18-10	7-6	10-3	1-1	12-4		178	B-
47	mjp8	21-9	8-3	11-4	2-2	14-2	22	22	B+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
46	mjp8	25-8	9-2	11-4	5-2	13-3	11	10	B	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (Elite 8)

I think we need something to compare this to...

The coach who got the job has this resume. Granted 2 of those years are on D2, I guess that must be what makes all the difference, but something shoudl be said of 10 consistent years of winning and NT berths.  Especially since both of those teams he coached were in a good position to win, he joined won and moved on. There needs to be a way to evaluate the situation a coach walkded into. Too many coaches who just job hop good job to good job racking up winning records but never recruiting or building a good team.

Not to mention they were in seasons that were a while ago where I continued winning each year during a time that coach was not employed.

Season 49: Clarion U. 
20-9 (overall)/13-3 (conf), RPI: 52

Regular Season Conference Champion
National Tournament At-large Bid
National Tournament - 1st Round

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Season 48: Clarion U. #12
25-7 (overall)/16-0 (conf), RPI: 9

Regular Season Conference Champion
Conference Tournament Champion
National Tournament - Sweet 16
Conference Coach of the Year

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Season 31: DeSales 
26-8 (overall)/12-4 (conf), RPI: 36

Postseason Invitational - Championship Game

I don't know if the problem is systemic or not.  If not, maybe the problem is that the complexives are so difficult that the sim cannot get it completely corrected to reflect the real world.  I do think that if the situation with regard to movement of coaches isn't corrected, even back before this new change, it won't matter as the coaches that really want to move up to D1 will give up and quit.  Those coaches already where they want to be really don't care.  They can play a majority of sim coaches if they want.

seble needs to take action on this quickly. It is bad. Jobs right now are wrecked. The change that was supposed to help has hurt.

I have very little confidence in them doing the right thing now. It would actually make me feel much, much better if seble could just take 30 seconds to poke his head in here and assure everyone that he recognizes there are issues, and they are working on them (and hopefully will be fixed soon).

For me, the worst part is just the radio silence on the topic, which means we don't know if what everyone is complaining about is simply failing on deaf ears.

Here's another example for you. My last 10 seasons in Tark. I was really stoked Florida State came open, because I'm an alum, admittedly have been playing for 2 years to get to coach them. First time i've ever had a shot at them with any of my 3 DI teams. I'm currently coaching A- (before the draft) Arkansas, which dropped to that after my third year and the Sweet 16, then stayed there this past year.

Not only was I flat "not qualified" at Florida State, I was a "keep looking" at B+ TEXAS SOUTHERN after taking Hampton to 5 straight postseasons, a PI title, a sweet 16, and then Arkansas to 4 straight NTs and back to back sweet 16s. Is that 13-15 year in my first year really that detrimental? I've made the NT 8 of the last 9 years, and won the PI the year I didn't.

FSU stayed open, because like others have said it was impossible to fill. I REALLY want a chance to coach them next year, please do something to adjust.

Arkansas

63	ohyesyouwill	22-10	6-2	12-6	4-2	11-5	20	20	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
62	ohyesyouwill	24-7	8-2	13-3	3-2	13-3	15	16	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
61	ohyesyouwill	18-10	8-0	10-8	0-2	11-5		15	A	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
60	ohyesyouwill	16-14	7-3	7-9	2-2	9-7		23	A	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)

Hampton 

59	ohyesyouwill	31-1	12-0	14-0	5-1	16-0	6	9	B	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
58	ohyesyouwill	27-7	13-2	10-4	4-1	14-2		38	B-	PI Champion
57	ohyesyouwill	27-3	12-0	12-2	3-1	15-1	24	44	C+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
56	ohyesyouwill	22-8	8-1	11-6	3-1	13-3		66	C+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
55	ohyesyouwill	23-7	10-1	11-4	2-2	12-4		43	C	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
54	ohyesyouwill	13-15	7-3	5-11	1-1	9-7		188	C

doesnt look like anything is going to happen soon, here is another response I got from support (as usual lame):

12/18/2011 7:51 PM	Customer Support
We're not prepared to make any changes yet. Keep an eye on the forums or Release notes for any further information. Thanks.

Not prepared? Just change it back to what it was! At least for the time being until you are able to figure out why your implementation of this concept flat out SUCKS!

I agree - they at least need to post something in this forum and let everyone know what is going on. Are they even reading this forum? I just can't figure WIS out. I love the concept (product), but it does seem like they need some common sense at the top management levels sometimes. I own a business, and if I was receiving complaints of this magnitude I'd definitely fix it - it would be the first thing on my agenda. In this economy, you can't afford to have your customer base unsatisfied - really in any economy you can't afford to do that. It's a shame, because I thought that the other new features were so great. But they have been more than offset by this. The longer they wait to do something, or at least communicate what they intend to do, the more upset coaches are going to get. I cannot understand how they cannot see what all of us are seeing, and why they don't just change it back until they can roll out a new system that makes more sense.

Posted by ohyesyouwill on 12/19/2011 12:12:00 AM (view original):
Here's another example for you. My last 10 seasons in Tark. I was really stoked Florida State came open, because I'm an alum, admittedly have been playing for 2 years to get to coach them. First time i've ever had a shot at them with any of my 3 DI teams. I'm currently coaching A- (before the draft) Arkansas, which dropped to that after my third year and the Sweet 16, then stayed there this past year.

Not only was I flat "not qualified" at Florida State, I was a "keep looking" at B+ TEXAS SOUTHERN after taking Hampton to 5 straight postseasons, a PI title, a sweet 16, and then Arkansas to 4 straight NTs and back to back sweet 16s. Is that 13-15 year in my first year really that detrimental? I've made the NT 8 of the last 9 years, and won the PI the year I didn't.

FSU stayed open, because like others have said it was impossible to fill. I REALLY want a chance to coach them next year, please do something to adjust.

Arkansas

63	ohyesyouwill	22-10	6-2	12-6	4-2	11-5	20	20	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
62	ohyesyouwill	24-7	8-2	13-3	3-2	13-3	15	16	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (Sweet 16)
61	ohyesyouwill	18-10	8-0	10-8	0-2	11-5		15	A	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
60	ohyesyouwill	16-14	7-3	7-9	2-2	9-7		23	A	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)

Hampton 

59	ohyesyouwill	31-1	12-0	14-0	5-1	16-0	6	9	B	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
58	ohyesyouwill	27-7	13-2	10-4	4-1	14-2		38	B-	PI Champion
57	ohyesyouwill	27-3	12-0	12-2	3-1	15-1	24	44	C+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
56	ohyesyouwill	22-8	8-1	11-6	3-1	13-3		66	C+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
55	ohyesyouwill	23-7	10-1	11-4	2-2	12-4		43	C	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
54	ohyesyouwill	13-15	7-3	5-11	1-1	9-7		188	C

Ohyes, please send this to seble. This is bad. You not even being qualified for Texas Southern with that resume is egregious.

Man, jobs = FUBAR right now.  These cases get worse and worse the more I read this post.  And the fact seble refuses to change anything IMMEDIATELY in the face of mounting and glaring evidence just shows how out of touch he is with the promotion logic, reason, and his customers.  Good thing I dropped down to just 1 team and am not looking to jump around.  Some of these case histories are simply shocking and cast HD management in a very poor light.