No, I think that guy is and should be fine.

I think you should get a year or two grace period and he made the NT by year 4.   I would say after year 5, a two or three year window of win or else should have been applied which he met with NT win after year 6.

I would say the win in year 5 bought him another 2 or so seasons of not making the NT and maybe 4 years of not winning a game in it.

The 2nd guy should have been canned..... 

Haha so another point of mine is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consistency in the process. I wish seble would come out and label exactly what goes into the logic because CS won't and I can't seem to find it listed clearly anywhere. 

But I'd like to backtrack for a second. I still think it needs to be easier for successful coaches to move up into good jobs. I would honestly take being fired right now if it meant that seble would make it easier for coaches to move up. There should never be a high level DI job that is left to the simmy. It took me forever to get to NCSU, which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line when others who have done a worse job are cruising along w/o having their job security questioned. 

I honestly think that I'm being penalized for improving them too quickly (and then not carrying that momentum into this season)...which ****** me off for sure. 

My 2 cents (not worth a plumb nickel) is that perhaps this IS a facit of the game that is realistic. Not all booster's expectations are the same and vary from school to school.....

The funny thing car (my team was the first one he used) is that after last year's NT win I was exceeding expectations, after this year still meeting them, and I was never in the "Booster complaining" spot.  Could be because my baseline is a shade lower (not sure if it is) or because even the years I did go PI recently I was above .500 in the end.  I agree coaching turnover should be a more frequent occurrence.  There is an A+ baseline prestige school right in a world right now (don't want to say which as I have nothing against the coach) that in the last 10 seasons has 0 NT wins, 1 NT appearance, 5 PI appearances, and 4 season with no post season.  Would it be possible in RL for a coach at UCLA, UNC, Texas, etc. to do that and keep their job?  No way.

Posted by piman314 on 6/17/2012 2:01:00 PM (view original):
The funny thing car (my team was the first one he used) is that after last year's NT win I was exceeding expectations, after this year still meeting them, and I was never in the "Booster complaining" spot.  Could be because my baseline is a shade lower (not sure if it is) or because even the years I did go PI recently I was above .500 in the end.  I agree coaching turnover should be a more frequent occurrence.  There is an A+ baseline prestige school right in a world right now (don't want to say which as I have nothing against the coach) that in the last 10 seasons has 0 NT wins, 1 NT appearance, 5 PI appearances, and 4 season with no post season.  Would it be possible in RL for a coach at UCLA, UNC, Texas, etc. to do that and keep their job?  No way.

Mmmm... I totally agree with what you said at the end. And you're probably right about the record and baseline being the difference, but I still don't see how we could end up on opposite sides of exceeding expectations and them complaining. I'm not saying I've done a better job to this point, but I don't think I'm far behind at all. 

When you are at an A or A+ baseline prestige team and miss the NT twice in a row, you should be canned no question unless you win the PIT both seasons. But even then, your job should be in question. 

Posted by taniajane on 6/17/2012 12:42:00 PM (view original):
My 2 cents (not worth a plumb nickel) is that perhaps this IS a facit of the game that is realistic. Not all booster's expectations are the same and vary from school to school.....

That's why I think seble should clarify what exactly goes on in the logic. 

Season	Coach	Overall W-L	Home W-L	Road W-L	Neutral W-L	Conf W-L	Rank	RPI	Prestige	Notes
53		8-19	6-7	2-11	0-1	4-12		198	C
52		8-19	6-7	2-11	0-1	3-13		165	C+
51		17-16	8-7	6-8	3-1	7-9		90	C+	PI (3rd Round)
50		11-17	6-7	4-9	1-1	6-10		144	C+
49		5-22	3-11	2-10	0-1	2-14		212	C+
48		14-13	7-7	7-5	0-1	10-6		107	B-	Conf Champion
47		18-11	10-3	7-6	1-2	10-6		49	B-	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
46		17-14	6-8	8-5	3-1	7-9		89	C+	PI (1st Round)
45		9-18	5-8	4-9	0-1	6-10		248	C+
44		15-13	7-6	7-6	1-1	8-8		90	C+
43		16-12	11-3	5-8	0-1	9-7		82	C+	PI (1st Round)
42		14-13	9-5	5-7	0-1	8-8		110	C+
41		5-22	4-10	1-11	0-1	4-12		237	B-
40		19-10	10-4	8-4	1-2	12-4		42	B	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
39		16-14	7-7	7-6	2-1	6-10		75	B-	PI (1st Round)
38		6-21	4-10	2-10	0-1	4-12		219	B-
37		19-13	11-4	7-7	1-2	9-7		45	B	PI (Final Four)
36		15-13	8-5	7-7	0-1	8-8		81	B	PI (1st Round)
35		11-16	6-6	5-9	0-1	7-9		114	B+
34		18-13	10-3	5-8	3-2	7-9		36	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
33		17-14	9-4	5-8	3-2	9-7		51	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)

Here's a good example of a situation that I think most people would like to see change. A coach took over this school with an A- (B+ baseline) prestige in a Big 6 conf. After 38, they would have been gone in RL, if not earlier. You really should not be able to get away with falling from above (or equal to) baseline prestige to below for more than two seasons without being fired IMO. That is the coaches entire tenure btw. 

Posted by ryrun on 6/16/2012 2:28:00 PM (view original):
It's always funny to see someone make a post asking for opinions and then getting all ****** off when those opinions don't match up with their own.

If you're going to try to tear people down when they don't write what you want to read, then you should add some qualifications in order to respond.  Here are some suggestions:

"Please only respond to this post if you have: X amount of wins / above X% winning percentage / X number of national championships"

-- or --

"Here are the acceptable opinions: A) Yes, you are totally getting screwed, you should send a ticket and HD should immediately promote you to the job of your choosing as a result of this outrageous insult to your coaching abilities.  B) All of the above."

C'mon, if you're so positive you're getting screwed then just send a ticket and don't ask for opinions you may not agree with.  Or put on your big boy pants and try to see it from another point of view, and then, if you're feeling really mature, don't respond like a five year old would when his parents take away his toy.

This might be the best post I've seen in the last three or four years.  Priceless!

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/17/2012 11:35:00 AM (view original):
Haha so another point of mine is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consistency in the process. I wish seble would come out and label exactly what goes into the logic because CS won't and I can't seem to find it listed clearly anywhere. 

But I'd like to backtrack for a second. I still think it needs to be easier for successful coaches to move up into good jobs. I would honestly take being fired right now if it meant that seble would make it easier for coaches to move up. There should never be a high level DI job that is left to the simmy. It took me forever to get to NCSU, which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line when others who have done a worse job are cruising along w/o having their job security questioned. 

I honestly think that I'm being penalized for improving them too quickly (and then not carrying that momentum into this season)...which ****** me off for sure. 

You seem to be missing the point that your job is not on the line.  Not this season, not next, and probably not the one after that.  You're not even close to getting fired, so why do you keep insisting that your job is on the line or that you're about to be canned?

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/16/2012 6:20:00 PM (view original):
Also, some people are getting genuinely upset here which is a bit sad. This wasn't intended to be an extremely opinionated thread (rather one just to suggest a possible change in logic) so if you're going to make a post just for the sake of arguing, think twice about what you're doing because you're probably wasting your own time and energy in doing so. 

This post is the very definition of irony.

Posted by angmar on 6/18/2012 1:45:00 PM (view original):

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/17/2012 11:35:00 AM (view original):
Haha so another point of mine is that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of consistency in the process. I wish seble would come out and label exactly what goes into the logic because CS won't and I can't seem to find it listed clearly anywhere. 

But I'd like to backtrack for a second. I still think it needs to be easier for successful coaches to move up into good jobs. I would honestly take being fired right now if it meant that seble would make it easier for coaches to move up. There should never be a high level DI job that is left to the simmy. It took me forever to get to NCSU, which is part of why it annoys me that my job is on the line when others who have done a worse job are cruising along w/o having their job security questioned. 

I honestly think that I'm being penalized for improving them too quickly (and then not carrying that momentum into this season)...which ****** me off for sure. 

You seem to be missing the point that your job is not on the line.  Not this season, not next, and probably not the one after that.  You're not even close to getting fired, so why do you keep insisting that your job is on the line or that you're about to be canned?

I think I made it clear that I'm not fearing for my job right now in other posts. I'm simply taking this as an example as to why logic is flawed IMO. This thread is more about inciting change than hoping I don't get fired. 

You can make the PIT 1st round for the next 500 seasons and not get fired, so how is the current logic flawed?

Posted by stinenavy on 6/18/2012 3:38:00 PM (view original):
You can make the PIT 1st round for the next 500 seasons and not get fired, so how is the current logic flawed?

/sarcasm. 

I figured I'd go ahead and throw that in there for you. 

Posted by car_crazy_v2 on 6/17/2012 3:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by taniajane on 6/17/2012 12:42:00 PM (view original):
My 2 cents (not worth a plumb nickel) is that perhaps this IS a facit of the game that is realistic. Not all booster's expectations are the same and vary from school to school.....

That's why I think seble should clarify what exactly goes on in the logic. 

It's wins, post season appearances, post season wins and end of the season  rankings.....that's it.