Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 2:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by a_in_the_b on 4/12/2013 2:29:00 PM (view original):
Ad also, what of conference mates recruiting cash?

Here is another one for you lol.

New guy in the conference. Has 7 open spots and ONLY considered by another guy I'm trying to get come signing time and he gets him.

Unless I am reading this wrong, it makes sense how he'd win this. If he only has one guy considering him and has 7 open spots, he could have put a ton of cash on the one guy. I have found prestige means very little at D3, and not a whole lot at D2. At D1 it makes a HUGE difference.

Posted by jsajsa on 4/12/2013 6:19:00 PM (view original):
Ironically enough, I find I have done my best work at the B+/A- range. I've often had more trouble than I like at A+, and in my recent experiment at C+/B- I had no problem getting big time players. I think the bottom line is if you're focused on your own prestige when you go into recruiting outside of D1, that's almost like strike one.  

I agree with this. When I have a high prestige, mainly at D1, I have often tried to get too many studs. Looks great for a few cycles, but if you get in a battle or especially two, you are in deep trouble, especially if it is still a while before signing. I think I have learned my lesson now, after thinking I learned it a few other times. I also have realized that t's a very bad idea to try to get two really good international players.  There's no way you could defend them and a couple of local 5 star recruits.

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 8:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 8:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/12/2013 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Don't quit the whole game over that vegask.   If you've got a skosh of your budget left, then you may be able to sign a couple players that can help keep the team competitive this season.  All you need is about 8 to run at slowdown for the season and keep your chances at getting into the NT.  Even if you can't do that, just move your credits to a different world, set up the team the best way you can and try to experiment with it.

Otherwise, you're right.  Prestige isn't much of a factor at DIII.  It doesn't become much of a recruiting advantage until you get to DI, it only changes the rate at which players drop down.  At DIII, if a player is recruitable at all, then it isn't that big a deal whether one team has an A+ and the other a C-.   It comes down to available cash and effective use of the recruiting budget.

This isn't true, high prestige in D3 is a HUGE advantage.  Not necessarily because you have an advantage in a battle, but because it gives you access to much better players.  Not only sooner, but some elite guys will only talk to high prestige D3 schools and won't talk to other D3 schools.  Hell, I've had an A+ and didn't have a guy talk to me and another A+ school snagged him (they were coming off a title, so they had a very high A+, not within 70 miles if I recall correctly).  

I'd agree that is an advantage, but that misses my point.  I'll clarify: instead of "if a player is recruitable at all" substitute 'if a recruit will accept HV & CV from both schools...'.   Clearly, the OP was aware that some lower prestige school(s) were putting in effective recruiting effort on his targeted recruits, but must have operated under the mistaken belief that his recruiting effort counted for significantly more due to his higher prestige, but, in fact, it has either a negligible or a minor effect at the D3 level.  

Yes, I did believe I was at a higher advantage with my prestige. Seems to not be the case, hope other coaches heed warning from my experience.

WIS wss always fun because it seemed realistic... My scenario is VERY unrealistic in the real world of basketball.. Not going to waste another 8 seasons at one-a-day to rebuild. I thought a D3 powerhouse would be fun but you're no better that a D+ at all times.

You could probably rebuild in like 2 seasons at D3, since you should still have 6 good players as a base. Won't be a complete rebuild by any means. I have gone from a new D3 team to a NT championship in 4 seasons before, and believe it or not it was only recruiting players with Bible names (that was with my Billy_Graham alias). That had a good deal of luck involved too, obviously.

Posted by vegask on 4/12/2013 8:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 8:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tkimble on 4/12/2013 3:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rogelio on 4/12/2013 12:28:00 PM (view original):
Don't quit the whole game over that vegask.   If you've got a skosh of your budget left, then you may be able to sign a couple players that can help keep the team competitive this season.  All you need is about 8 to run at slowdown for the season and keep your chances at getting into the NT.  Even if you can't do that, just move your credits to a different world, set up the team the best way you can and try to experiment with it.

Otherwise, you're right.  Prestige isn't much of a factor at DIII.  It doesn't become much of a recruiting advantage until you get to DI, it only changes the rate at which players drop down.  At DIII, if a player is recruitable at all, then it isn't that big a deal whether one team has an A+ and the other a C-.   It comes down to available cash and effective use of the recruiting budget.

This isn't true, high prestige in D3 is a HUGE advantage.  Not necessarily because you have an advantage in a battle, but because it gives you access to much better players.  Not only sooner, but some elite guys will only talk to high prestige D3 schools and won't talk to other D3 schools.  Hell, I've had an A+ and didn't have a guy talk to me and another A+ school snagged him (they were coming off a title, so they had a very high A+, not within 70 miles if I recall correctly).  

I'd agree that is an advantage, but that misses my point.  I'll clarify: instead of "if a player is recruitable at all" substitute 'if a recruit will accept HV & CV from both schools...'.   Clearly, the OP was aware that some lower prestige school(s) were putting in effective recruiting effort on his targeted recruits, but must have operated under the mistaken belief that his recruiting effort counted for significantly more due to his higher prestige, but, in fact, it has either a negligible or a minor effect at the D3 level.  

Yes, I did believe I was at a higher advantage with my prestige. Seems to not be the case, hope other coaches heed warning from my experience.

WIS wss always fun because it seemed realistic... My scenario is VERY unrealistic in the real world of basketball.. Not going to waste another 8 seasons at one-a-day to rebuild. I thought a D3 powerhouse would be fun but you're no better that a D+ at all times.

How many real d2 and d3 teams are so prestigious that they just blow all competitors away recruiting?

This thread was a fun read. Wow. Some people just never learn.

Yeah, prestige at the D3 level in particular has a "tallest midget" ring to it.