Posted by possumfiend on 4/4/2017 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by whitey34 on 4/4/2017 12:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by skinndogg on 4/4/2017 11:59:00 AM (view original):
I mostly access my WIS account through my work which goes through a Japan server, but I also use my cellphone, and on weekends both of my kid's I-pads, and sometimes my son's home computer.

I'll be the first to admit I'm not very Tech savvy, but I don't think the IP address blockage is any kind of solution.

And they need to rename this forum "The Days of Our Hoops Dynasty Lives", because some of you guys are acting like you live in a soap opera.

So let people continue to cheat? Tracing the IP is the only solution to prevent cheating.

IP addresses can be the same for those living in an apartment building or dorm or anyone who shares a router.

The best solution would be to DESIGN the game so that users with multiple IDs could continue to use them but that it wouldn't provide any game play advantage.

Bingo. 3.0 on the whole reduces the advantage, but the international/distance scouting issue is still a cheat hole.

Posted by pkoopman on 4/4/2017 1:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by possumfiend on 4/4/2017 12:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by whitey34 on 4/4/2017 12:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by skinndogg on 4/4/2017 11:59:00 AM (view original):
I mostly access my WIS account through my work which goes through a Japan server, but I also use my cellphone, and on weekends both of my kid's I-pads, and sometimes my son's home computer.

I'll be the first to admit I'm not very Tech savvy, but I don't think the IP address blockage is any kind of solution.

And they need to rename this forum "The Days of Our Hoops Dynasty Lives", because some of you guys are acting like you live in a soap opera.

So let people continue to cheat? Tracing the IP is the only solution to prevent cheating.

IP addresses can be the same for those living in an apartment building or dorm or anyone who shares a router.

The best solution would be to DESIGN the game so that users with multiple IDs could continue to use them but that it wouldn't provide any game play advantage.

Bingo. 3.0 on the whole reduces the advantage, but the international/distance scouting issue is still a cheat hole.

It's better, but since you have scout to unlock recruits now there is still a big advantage.

I don't think it's that I, or others, don't want to fix it. I just don't think there's a good way to police it, and no matter what you do people will find ways to circumvent it ... to quote seble "cheaters are going to cheat".

I also realize that WIS is not going to redesign the game, but that's where the most effective means of combatting the issue lies.

Cheating is how you succeed in the real world. Either have integrity or don't.

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/4/2017 8:21:00 AM (view original):
Maybe you and your group of "It's not against the FPG" can ride off into the sunset when they show up..

Personally, I think it's downright sad that someone would cheat to be good at an internet simgame. What's the point? "Hey, good job!!!" from the other users?

And, what's worse, the "culture" around here encourages it.

Encourages it, defends it, but not across the board. Cheating is okay for a small group - emy, only, bevis, one or two others - but if you or I were to cheat that same small group would loudly and profanely object. I don't need to ever worry about that because I don't have two teams in any world and never will. Emy, only, bevis and that group don't need to worry about that until and unless WIS ever discourages cheating, which shows no signs of happening.

Posted by whitey34 on 4/4/2017 10:03:00 AM (view original):
Really there is a simple fix. You can't have 2 teams in a world. It's easy to trace through IP addresses. I play a football sim. It's free unless you want to change team name, players and so on. It makes far less $ than this and still polices IP addresses. 10 teams are plenty. I don't know how someone you can have a job and still have time to keep up with over a couple teams. Solution is easy and whatif needs to stop being lazy in policing it.

This. +1

Mike - I think deep down, you can be a sensible guy. So please take a step back for a second and acknowledge the current situation.

There is one person who is in 100% agreement with what you're say. Look at who that person is. Did you forget that this is the same person you ripped a new one because he was always being unnecessarily contrarian all the time?

And not that it's really necessary for me to do this but let's take a look at what I posted on the first page of the Moral Obligation thread regarding Piman's concerns.

"The game has changed quite a bit in 3.0 in regards to scouting and recruiting. Now you can recruit D1 players at D3.

Let's say you have a D1 team and you scout D1 internationals all to level 4. Then with your D3 team, are you supposed to forget what you saw? Are you supposed to not go for D1 internationals now totally? Do you need to just go scout that guy to level 4 so it's not like you're getting that information for free (even though identifying which guy to scout already gave you the advantage)?

Bottom line, I think they should have added in some changes in regards to multiple IDs. I think a lot of people, including maybe the coaches you're talking about, will do the right thing. But there are also many coaches who have secret IDs and will hide which teams they have. I think this is BS. There should be same way to link IDs to show who is who."

Does this sound like I'm okay with cheating? Does it sound like I'm ignoring that cheating happens or that I'm encouraging it? Even before it was shown that the person in question was "my boy", I gave the accused people (because it was more than one person here), the benefit of the doubt since they're very open with their IDs. I wouldn't give the same benefit of the doubt to anyone who has a secret ID they refuse to share.

Posted by Benis on 4/4/2017 4:14:00 PM (view original):
And not that it's really necessary for me to do this but let's take a look at what I posted on the first page of the Moral Obligation thread regarding Piman's concerns.

"The game has changed quite a bit in 3.0 in regards to scouting and recruiting. Now you can recruit D1 players at D3.

Let's say you have a D1 team and you scout D1 internationals all to level 4. Then with your D3 team, are you supposed to forget what you saw? Are you supposed to not go for D1 internationals now totally? Do you need to just go scout that guy to level 4 so it's not like you're getting that information for free (even though identifying which guy to scout already gave you the advantage)?

Bottom line, I think they should have added in some changes in regards to multiple IDs. I think a lot of people, including maybe the coaches you're talking about, will do the right thing. But there are also many coaches who have secret IDs and will hide which teams they have. I think this is BS. There should be same way to link IDs to show who is who."

Does this sound like I'm okay with cheating? Does it sound like I'm ignoring that cheating happens or that I'm encouraging it? Even before it was shown that the person in question was "my boy", I gave the accused people (because it was more than one person here), the benefit of the doubt since they're very open with their IDs. I wouldn't give the same benefit of the doubt to anyone who has a secret ID they refuse to share.

It's just not internationals, it's everywhere, on my d1 i scout Utah and Colorado all the time. If it was me having a west team, i would have solid infos on Colorado
and Utah, when I do not stretch somewhere like CAL. I never spend my full scouting money.

First, anything that ****** off a bunch of people will get spud on that side of the fence. It's who he is, it's what he does. But that doesn't mean that side is wrong. The vast majority of the folks who post, not EVERYONE who plays HD, line up. Maybe it's years of glad-handing one another over every subject. Maybe they've managed to shout down any dissenting voice. But, any way you slice it, it's largely a group think. I've been told this by long-time users.

Second, you're ridiculously predictable. I learned this with "Them's the breaks". If it's one of your old school buddies, you're jumping to their defense. If you're not familiar with them and they express a concern, it's "Them's the breaks." If piman had suggested it was me/poiuyt(my other username), you would NOT have said "We need more evidence."

I am reasonable. I am sensible. But this forum, and the predictability of not just you but the general forum, is not going to bring that out. I'd rather watch the collective get their panties bunched. And, in this case, I'm right. Only's move was very suspicious. Not just the location but the timing of his D3 team's first appearance on the recruit. And the collective lined up to say "I don't think he cheated" or "No FPG were broken" or "You can't share information with yourself" or "If there's no punishment, there's no cheating" or whatever else excuse could be made for the recruiting oddity. It's ridiculous.

Now see what you did? You made me makes a long post in an attempt to prove I'm being reasonable and sensible. Jerk.

Posted by CoachSpud on 4/4/2017 5:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 4/4/2017 4:44:00 PM (view original):
First, anything that ****** off a bunch of people will get spud on that side of the fence. It's who he is, it's what he does. But that doesn't mean that side is wrong. The vast majority of the folks who post, not EVERYONE who plays HD, line up. Maybe it's years of glad-handing one another over every subject. Maybe they've managed to shout down any dissenting voice. But, any way you slice it, it's largely a group think. I've been told this by long-time users.

Second, you're ridiculously predictable. I learned this with "Them's the breaks". If it's one of your old school buddies, you're jumping to their defense. If you're not familiar with them and they express a concern, it's "Them's the breaks." If piman had suggested it was me/poiuyt(my other username), you would NOT have said "We need more evidence."

I am reasonable. I am sensible. But this forum, and the predictability of not just you but the general forum, is not going to bring that out. I'd rather watch the collective get their panties bunched. And, in this case, I'm right. Only's move was very suspicious. Not just the location but the timing of his D3 team's first appearance on the recruit. And the collective lined up to say "I don't think he cheated" or "No FPG were broken" or "You can't share information with yourself" or "If there's no punishment, there's no cheating" or whatever else excuse could be made for the recruiting oddity. It's ridiculous.

Now see what you did? You made me makes a long post in an attempt to prove I'm being reasonable and sensible. Jerk.

With regard to "First, anything that ****** off a bunch of people will get spud on that side of the fence. It's who he is, it's what he does. But that doesn't mean that side is wrong." Hmm, not quite. It is interesting that this argument, which I see a lot by the way, not just from you, totally ignores all the times I agree with anyone. Geez Louise, for a while I was agreeing so much people thought I was Site Staff. What really happens is that I disagree only selectively and support my position with logic and a concern for the whole game, top to bottom, not just what will benefit my team. The people who are on the other side of the issue, unable to counter my argument on its merits, resort instead to ad hominem attacks, so often now that it has become de rigeur in some loud but small circles.

You are right that the guy you cite is predictible. Also chickenshit. Bevis, you like to imply that I cheat. I don't, of course, and I have explained on more than one occasion why I don't reveal any of my other screen names -- "CoachSpud" is like flypaper for dipshits like you and the petty, stupid ad hominem attacks. However, here's your chance to put your money where your big fat mouth is. FILL IN THE BLANK: CoachSpud has more than one team in ________ World. There ya go, no-nuts. Put up of STFU.

Mike : i am unpredictable. It's a fact. I line up where I see the good of the game. I just won a 31%?to 69%! recruit and I feel bad. The thing is I was on the other side of the fence twice so I guess it was payback.

spud, the time when you were agreeing with everyone was OBVIOUSLY before I started with HD again. Now, the way people go after you, and derail every damn thread, is ridiculous. You are what you are. You don't generally start the fire but you're there to throw gas on it pretty much every time. Then the vultures begin to circle. And, to be clear, I don't think you're always wrong. You're always on the other side of the popular opinion. You could prove me wrong, I guess, by bumping a thread where you weren't.

zorzi, you tend to look at D1 and D1 only. You started a suggestion thread the other day that only affected D1. The 2nd post was mine. It was "How does this help 2/3 of the users?" You conveniently ignored it. So while you may look out for the "good of the game", it's generally for 1/3 of the users.

I think D2 does not need much. It's working pretty well. D3 is a problem, D1, only small parts. I thought 1 EE max per season per team would fix the thing but, if you have three on the big board, you lose one to the draft for sure. It's possible to plan for 1 ee, and teams with 3 or more would know to prepare. As for 1 or 2 ees on the big board, a likely going is a huge signal and on the fence a warning...

Changes like you suggested, affects all levels. Which was my point. You saw what would help D1 and suggested it. It actually HURT D2/D3 but I didn't feel the need to point that out. I just wanted to know how it HELPED either of them.