Posted by upsetcity on 4/25/2020 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/24/2020 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by beachhouse on 4/24/2020 2:56:00 PM (view original):
I am not the one who reported you, but I’ve got a legitimate question.

Which is sadder?

Being the person who wants the game played fairly so they report an issue? or Being the guy who has multiple teams in every world?

Perhaps both have too much time on their hands, but also very possible one person needs a new hobby.

i don't think its reasonable for a player of game to knock those who are more into said game, for their gaming habits. it just strikes as a tad... hypocritical? delusional? i've often expressed something between disbelief and awe at the crazy folks who run 10+ teams, especially tracyr with his 27 teams. i mean seriously... wtf? but i can't knock them for their habits.

i'm not trying to knock your post a lot - but a little, sure!

i think whoever reported ab has a specific issue with him... im just guessing based on, i don't know, my gut and historical whatever. but its also fair to question the need for nitpicking in a day and age where NTs can barely be filled by humans anymore. i'm not advocating a blind eye towards cheating - but i also think in general, its not the time to push coaches away for technical violations. again, i think this was a non-random reporting. but yeah.

Completely agree with the first thought. It's not right to knock someone for the amount of teams they have. First, it's drawing focus from the original point of 'fairness' to take a jab at someone. Second, why jab at someone for their hobby? In this instance, sure, he was breaking the fairness standards and you can comment against him for doing so. But why even bring up his amount of teams as a negative? It almost implies there's a hobby-hierarchy and HD is considered low-tier - it's fine to enjoy it but you can't REALLY enjoy it. If I went to the gym every day to workout, is that sad too? What if it was twice a day? Three times?

Kinda disagree with your second thought though, Gil. You have to make the cutoff somewhere and it should be reported if noticed by other coaches. I wouldn't ever notice that was occurring, I'm sure most players wouldn't, but people have noticed and ab90 shouldn't get away with cheating (just to clarifiy - IF he was cheating - I don't know if he was) just to keep the human coach. It could ruin another coaches season - especially at DII/III where money is more valuable and it only costs a few bucks to get a new HD team (or free with the code if that's still running).

i actually edited my post down for once - i had in there specifically that i didn't fault the reporter at all, but i guess i left no mention of that. apparently i edited too far!

but i agree with you - and benis's reply to me from a little earlier. i don't object to the reporting of 1000 mile violations or to the guy who did, and don't fault that person at all. but i also don't fault one raising an eyebrow at getting instantly reported for something like this. what i was trying to say is... i don't really have an issue with ab's post, and i was taking exception to a post that did. but i also definitely take no issue with the reporter.

this is probably a bad example, because as some others have mentioned, i don't think this was a random reporting. someone who doesn't like ab, probably.

Posted by beachhouse on 4/25/2020 10:58:00 AM (view original):
A lot of my comments are sarcastic and to stir the pot. I do however think that nobody on here should have 2 teams in any world period. They made it 1K between and that was fine in the 2.0 setting. In 3.0 it just doesn’t work. That’s just my opinion though.

hey beachhouse - im curious - why? i genuinely don't understand - if a guy has a d3 team in cali, and a d1 team in connecticut - what changed in 3.0 to make that not-ok anymore?

i mean - if you were against 2 teams/world in 2.0, i wouldn't have asked. people just see this issue differently. but specifically you are saying 1000 was ok in 2.0 but not 3.0 right? and that is where im curious because i'm not sure i've heard that before, nor can i think of 3.0 changes that really impact the multiple team situation?

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/25/2020 3:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by beachhouse on 4/25/2020 10:58:00 AM (view original):
A lot of my comments are sarcastic and to stir the pot. I do however think that nobody on here should have 2 teams in any world period. They made it 1K between and that was fine in the 2.0 setting. In 3.0 it just doesn’t work. That’s just my opinion though.

hey beachhouse - im curious - why? i genuinely don't understand - if a guy has a d3 team in cali, and a d1 team in connecticut - what changed in 3.0 to make that not-ok anymore?

i mean - if you were against 2 teams/world in 2.0, i wouldn't have asked. people just see this issue differently. but specifically you are saying 1000 was ok in 2.0 but not 3.0 right? and that is where im curious because i'm not sure i've heard that before, nor can i think of 3.0 changes that really impact the multiple team situation?

Actually job hopping is very real with the exception of the Arena and layout of the city some people just can't coach that area and realize that it is that area that causes that trouble. I have had one of my worst seasons with a full team one walk on and its in division III where its parked so I don't really know 2 multiple ID's is wrong however a 1k miles radius is very wrong to depend on and if we didn't have it it would stop multiple ID's

Posted by cubcub113 on 4/25/2020 12:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by beachhouse on 4/25/2020 12:40:00 PM (view original):
“admin: “So you’re recruiting against yourself? That seems a little odd, but not against the rules.”

Collectively we’ve all known for a long time that this game isn’t run as effectively as it should be. Those who stuck with this game from 2.0 to 3.0 and beyond have for the most part been looking for a firmer stance on what is actually fair play and what isn’t. At the end of the day, AB just helps us focus on the shortcomings of this game. We’re here because we like the game; these threads get created because we want legitimate changes and things to be fair across the board for all.

The response Seble gave you is the biggest joke I’ve read on here in a while. I’ve been on this site since 2003 and it shows exactly what is and has been wrong with this game for a long time.

This is ridiculous. No coach should appear on a recruit with two different names. Add that to 1k mile rule and same division.

6.9.1

I know for a fact that in the past appearing on a recruit under two names was forbidden and punished.

I never played 2.0, but I'm against 2 teams in a world in general. Someone could have a D1 Connecticut team, and a D3 cali team. Someone could so easily scout D1 internationals with the D1 resources and with the D3 team FSS internationals (and they'd see the ratings for both teams), and no one would ever know.

I'm not accusing ab of this, but he could have easily had the guy scouted by the D3 team to L4, and then lost a couple guys and had the guy at L2 or something for the D2 team and recruited him. I just think it would be very hard to recruit two teams in the same worlds independently when close together. Like lets say you have guys at L3 for your D3 team based on the strategy you use and you have some of the same of the same guys at L4 for your D2 team. You're not gonna upgrade a guy to L4 for your D3 team you already know is all blues instead of greens. And if you're within 1000 miles of each other, its very likely you're getting some overlap. I just think it sets a bad precedent to let people have teams within 1000 miles.

I will also admit I was one of the people who have reported ab on this before when he had two teams in New York (Stevens Tech. and New York Tech) in Tark. Like cmon, thats just awful. All your recruits have overlap.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/25/2020 4:28:00 PM (view original):
I never played 2.0, but I'm against 2 teams in a world in general. Someone could have a D1 Connecticut team, and a D3 cali team. Someone could so easily scout D1 internationals with the D1 resources and with the D3 team FSS internationals (and they'd see the ratings for both teams), and no one would ever know.

I'm not accusing ab of this, but he could have easily had the guy scouted by the D3 team to L4, and then lost a couple guys and had the guy at L2 or something for the D2 team and recruited him. I just think it would be very hard to recruit two teams in the same worlds independently when close together. Like lets say you have guys at L3 for your D3 team based on the strategy you use and you have some of the same of the same guys at L4 for your D2 team. You're not gonna upgrade a guy to L4 for your D3 team you already know is all blues instead of greens. And if you're within 1000 miles of each other, its very likely you're getting some overlap. I just think it sets a bad precedent to let people have teams within 1000 miles.

I will also admit I was one of the people who have reported ab on this before when he had two teams in New York (Stevens Tech. and New York Tech) in Tark. Like cmon, thats just awful. All your recruits have overlap.

2.0 was very harder every stepping stone was a must to have a winning record and the engine was much tougher.

also this idea that seble is screwing things up by allowing ab to hop from school to school? even more ridiculous. asking the 1000 mile rule to be respected is fine. but acting like ab90 is pilfering from the community because he likes to hop around, like somehow this is nefarious and underhanded, a scam, and should be banned... i mean come on dude. get a grip.

this is exactly the kind of stuff i was getting at when i was talking about the low population and how this is a for-fun game and should be treated as such.

'TO SEBLE..... IF YOU'RE OK WITH ENABLING ONE USER TO BASICALLY TAKE MONEY AT A RAPID PACE FROM YOUR PRODUCT, WHILE HE ADMITS DOING IT AND RIDES THE COATTAILS OF OTHERS, DUE TO A FLAWED SYSTEM, THEN THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE. BUT IF YOU FEEL IN YOUR GUT THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT ODD THAT ONE USER TAKES ADVANTAGE OF A FLAWED (AND FIXABLE) HIRING PROCESS, FOR PERSONAL GAIN AND NOT JUST THE JOY OF THE GAME, PLEASE BE OPEN MINDED ABOUT WHAT YOUR COMMUNITY IS TELLING YOU HERE.'

.... good god man, get a grip on yourself!

I've come around to the idea of ab job hopping, to be honest. At least basically every title won now is from people who're playing with their own recruits and ab takes all the titles of great teams built by coaches who left. I think his titles are a bit cheap, but I don't have animosity against him for that anymore. He isn't breaking rules by doing that. I just don't like to set this precedent of allowing people to break FairPlay guidelines which is what he is doing now. And then he's calling out people for reporting him for breaking those guidelines.

Posted by ab90 on 4/25/2020 3:55:00 PM (view original):
Don’t know why I’m defending myself. I’ve got the alpha and omega of WIS saying I’m in the clear on the recruiting, and that I need to drop the teams within 1000 miles or I lose the account if I do it a third time. Easy. Couldn’t care less if I have a second name.

Now that I am regularly cheating, I probably could have come up with a better way to avoid suspicion than using the same name twice. That was shortsighted.

Sarcasm aside, the networks discovered long ago that conspiracies excite the masses far more than the quotidian monotony of the mundane, so it would be absurd of me to expect you to believe me when most of us– delirious at home– are so desperate for entertainment that we’d stick our peckers in a Hoover just to break the boredom. Make this a 12 page thread. Find out if my mother had premarital intercourse with other guys. Let’s see it all.

To be fair, you're the one who created the thread.

hey dogg - the one thing i think i would support you on is tweaking how loyalty works. couple options i can think of, i'm sure there are more? not sure i'm totally on board with any specific suggestion here just kinda spitballing stuff that seems like it might have some merit (haven't thought it through well, in terms of potential negatives and all)

1 - i think loyalty from failing to renew could work differently - you could lose just like on a job-hop, but it would recover from not coaching at the same pace as coaching. this would only apply to loyalty lost from your last job, after not renewing.

2 - loyalty today, if i remember correctly, impacts if you are eligible or not - and in a fairly rough way, in some cases - but not really who wins a job (negligible impact perhaps?). i have never been a fan of the loyalty system - i always thought loyalty should manifest its impact differently than it does, shifting a lot of the impact from raw eligibility to like, the your coach rating or whatever (how good of a job you are qualified for based on your success).

The excuse that he has too many teams to keep track of the distance between them is complete bullsh-t. I mean, c'mon. How effing difficult is it to figure it out?

And that whole switching teams schtick is bullsh-t too. He comes into town, recruits wildly and out of control, f-cks up the recruiting process of nearby coaches, has no intention of staying, and then scoots out of town.

Blows my mind that anyone can defend this... holy sh-t. And wow, that Ohio State team was impressive jumping to a C-minus and leading to Arfy's Round of 32 run... you gotta be kidding.

Cue up ab responding by saying he doesn't give a sh-t about what i think, and i've never been in a conference with him anyway, but he's affected teams of mine indirectly due to the recruiting thing, and that's cool cuz no one should give a sh-t what i think, but this is obvious freakin cheating.

And a telltale sign is starting this thread to whine with no freakin apology and just doubling down on the bullsh-t. How difficult is it to just create a thread and simply say, "hey guys, sorry about the 1000 mile rule that i screwed up. Next opportunity i get i'll move farther away".

He has not one, not two, but three, count them, three pairs of teams within 1,000 miles of each other at this present time:

1. Naismith: Colorado Mesa in Grand Junction, CO to Washington, MO in St. Louis, MO - 984 miles
2. Iba: Concordia St. Paul in St. Paul, MN to Texas, Tyler in Tyler, TX - 878 miles
3. Smith: Post in Waterbury, CT to Worcester State in Worcester, MA - 80 miles

For the record, I reported his Naismith setup because he directly competes with me in the Rocky Mountain. The recruiting of Jack Devito gives me pause. I did not report his other two instances, although I have to say, less than 100 miles is pretty impressive.

PS - the other team he has with abninety is in D2 along with another ab90 team in the same division. There is no rule against this, but it is worth noting. He did succeed at placing the two teams further than a thousand miles from each other: Colorado Christian and Puerto Rico, Cayey. Can we say that one for four isn’t bad? If I were Adam Dunn, I would settle for that to be my batting average.

Posted by favre3xmvp on 4/25/2020 10:13:00 PM (view original):
He has not one, not two, but three, count them, three pairs of teams within 1,000 miles of each other at this present time:

1. Naismith: Colorado Mesa in Grand Junction, CO to Washington, MO in St. Louis, MO - 984 miles
2. Iba: Concordia St. Paul in St. Paul, MN to Texas, Tyler in Tyler, TX - 878 miles
3. Smith: Post in Waterbury, CT to Worcester State in Worcester, MA - 80 miles

For the record, I reported his Naismith setup because he directly competes with me in the Rocky Mountain. The recruiting of Jack Devito gives me pause. I did not report his other two instances, although I have to say, less than 100 miles is pretty impressive.

PS - the other team he has with abninety is in D2 along with another ab90 team in the same division. There is no rule against this, but it is worth noting. He did succeed at placing the two teams further than a thousand miles from each other: Colorado Christian and Puerto Rico, Cayey. Can we say that one for four isn’t bad? If I were Adam Dunn, I would settle for that to be my batting average.

One for 5. He recently had 2 Tark teams both in NY that I mentioned earlier (New York Tech and Stevens Tech), but after I submitted a ticket he was forced to drop one.