Posted by cccp1014 on 6/16/2020 7:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 5:26:00 PM (view original):
I appreciate your honesty. I wish you would acknowledge that your own views contribute heavily to the political divide and lack of peace in America.

For instance, when you vote for candidates because (or like them because) they make people mad (thus increasing the divide), you make it impossible to participate in rational political discussion. Can you at least see why this parallel would frustrate the hell out of me?

What motivation to you have for complaining about the lack of peace when you like people who, by your own statement, serve a purpose of dividing?

Because people in MA cannot call themselves Trump supporters without being vilified by the “woke” crowd. That’s not right. What I despise most about Leftists is the freedoms they take away. Same as I despise about the Alt Right. If I tell someone on the Alt Right that we are all equal they will vilify me. If I tell someone on the very Left that I like many of Trumps policies they will vilify me. That’s not right. Not remotely. I was wrong about my comments related to Jews. That’s on me. I am wrong to support Trump for selfish reasons. Nevertheless until we get our freedoms back, I will.

Hahahaha, what freedoms have leftists taken away? Worried about losing all your unearned privilege?

I think they just took away a part of a major city.

What have conservatives taken away? Oh yeah, a lot of innocent lives. :(

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/16/2020 7:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 5:26:00 PM (view original):
I appreciate your honesty. I wish you would acknowledge that your own views contribute heavily to the political divide and lack of peace in America.

For instance, when you vote for candidates because (or like them because) they make people mad (thus increasing the divide), you make it impossible to participate in rational political discussion. Can you at least see why this parallel would frustrate the hell out of me?

What motivation to you have for complaining about the lack of peace when you like people who, by your own statement, serve a purpose of dividing?

Because people in MA cannot call themselves Trump supporters without being vilified by the “woke” crowd. That’s not right. What I despise most about Leftists is the freedoms they take away. Same as I despise about the Alt Right. If I tell someone on the Alt Right that we are all equal they will vilify me. If I tell someone on the very Left that I like many of Trumps policies they will vilify me. That’s not right. Not remotely. I was wrong about my comments related to Jews. That’s on me. I am wrong to support Trump for selfish reasons. Nevertheless until we get our freedoms back, I will.

If you’re embarrassed to support Trump, that’s on you.

Nobody's "wrong" for supporting anyone for selfish reasons. Just make sure your "reasons" are actually going to be good for your daughter's future.
I'd bet, IF'n you really thought about what's happening to our Country right now, after 3 1/2 years of this "leadership" you couldn't check the box for Trump again.

You don't have the HRC running and you've got to know that the Repugs. establishment is every bit as loony as the Dems.
Biden is likely to at least have a competent cabinet.
No more sycophants and Ben carson's running Gov't agency's without a freaking clue.

Trump is dragging the entire ship under.
Just wait...........watch the rats start jumping when the real sheit hits the fan.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/16/2020 7:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 5:26:00 PM (view original):
I appreciate your honesty. I wish you would acknowledge that your own views contribute heavily to the political divide and lack of peace in America.

For instance, when you vote for candidates because (or like them because) they make people mad (thus increasing the divide), you make it impossible to participate in rational political discussion. Can you at least see why this parallel would frustrate the hell out of me?

What motivation to you have for complaining about the lack of peace when you like people who, by your own statement, serve a purpose of dividing?

Because people in MA cannot call themselves Trump supporters without being vilified by the “woke” crowd. That’s not right. What I despise most about Leftists is the freedoms they take away. Same as I despise about the Alt Right. If I tell someone on the Alt Right that we are all equal they will vilify me. If I tell someone on the very Left that I like many of Trumps policies they will vilify me. That’s not right. Not remotely. I was wrong about my comments related to Jews. That’s on me. I am wrong to support Trump for selfish reasons. Nevertheless until we get our freedoms back, I will.

Hold on, please. I really want to have a discussion with you about whether Trump or the leftists are taking away more freedoms.

First of all, supporting Trump is wrong, in my eyes. Secondly, the left and the alt-right are NOT the same. Not even close. The alt-right wants to MURDER YOU for being Jewish. They want to use the government to ban freedoms. The left will give you **** for supporting Trump. They won't ban the Republican Party. Please never equivocate the two.

Here's a list of freedoms that Trump is trying to take away (I can source these if you want):

• Trying to ban burning the flag
• Wants to expand libel laws to sue the press for making claims that in retrospect turn out to be false
  • Is suing CNN for publishing a poll that he doesn't like.
  • Has tried to stop books from publishing that say things that he doesn't like.
• Is trying to revoke Article 230, which would essentially end all social media platforms like Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, etc. because Twitter flagged ONE of his tweets as misinformation.
• Told a private company to fire employees for protesting
• Supports the military coming in to fire on peaceful protesters. Fired tear gas into a crowd of peaceful protesters to get a photo op in front of a church (some of the people he tear gassed were members of said church, and no one from the church that I have seen supported his actions, or were even consulted).

That's pretty bad. Now, give me a list of what freedoms the left are trying to take away. Keep in mind that we are talking about politicians in order to avoid a false equivalence.

Trump's a fascist. I know you are going to get really triggered over that remark, but I am willing to defend it, as well.

To better describe my frustration with your position, let me use an analogy. Let's say I supported a Presidential Candidate who wanted to nuke Israel and take away the first amendment. When I would openly identify as a supporter of this candidate, some other people would chastise and vilify me. Now, my argument becomes that I not only support this candidate because they make my political opponents angry, but also because my opponents are trying to take away my freedoms. Do you get where my frustration comes from?

The left makes him feel bad for supporting someone he knows he shouldn’t. There’s no greater sin.

For instance, in light of recent events, can you really blame trans people for being frustrated at your support of Trump? That's righteous anger. Could you blame a protester who was tear gassed while kneeling at being frustrated with you supporting a man who said "When the looting starts, the shooting starts?"

What freedom are they taking away? Are they preventing you from showing up at the ballot box, or are they presenting you with the moral issues of voting for your candidate? Is it not a good thing to have to face the consequences of your decisions in November?

Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 8:27:00 PM (view original):
For instance, in light of recent events, can you really blame trans people for being frustrated at your support of Trump? That's righteous anger. Could you blame a protester who was tear gassed while kneeling at being frustrated with you supporting a man who said "When the looting starts, the shooting starts?"

What freedom are they taking away? Are they preventing you from showing up at the ballot box, or are they presenting you with the moral issues of voting for your candidate? Is it not a good thing to have to face the consequences of your decisions in November?

There is no such thing as a trans person without drugs and mutilation of the body.

Trans is a mental condition.

Posted by coreander on 6/16/2020 8:04:00 PM (view original):
What have conservatives taken away? Oh yeah, a lot of innocent lives. :(

Like the ones taken in the Leftist looting and rioting?

Posted by coreander on 6/16/2020 8:04:00 PM (view original):
What have conservatives taken away? Oh yeah, a lot of innocent lives. :(

Care to make a list?

Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 8:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/16/2020 7:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/16/2020 5:26:00 PM (view original):
I appreciate your honesty. I wish you would acknowledge that your own views contribute heavily to the political divide and lack of peace in America.

For instance, when you vote for candidates because (or like them because) they make people mad (thus increasing the divide), you make it impossible to participate in rational political discussion. Can you at least see why this parallel would frustrate the hell out of me?

What motivation to you have for complaining about the lack of peace when you like people who, by your own statement, serve a purpose of dividing?

Because people in MA cannot call themselves Trump supporters without being vilified by the “woke” crowd. That’s not right. What I despise most about Leftists is the freedoms they take away. Same as I despise about the Alt Right. If I tell someone on the Alt Right that we are all equal they will vilify me. If I tell someone on the very Left that I like many of Trumps policies they will vilify me. That’s not right. Not remotely. I was wrong about my comments related to Jews. That’s on me. I am wrong to support Trump for selfish reasons. Nevertheless until we get our freedoms back, I will.

Hold on, please. I really want to have a discussion with you about whether Trump or the leftists are taking away more freedoms.

First of all, supporting Trump is wrong, in my eyes. Secondly, the left and the alt-right are NOT the same. Not even close. The alt-right wants to MURDER YOU for being Jewish. They want to use the government to ban freedoms. The left will give you **** for supporting Trump. They won't ban the Republican Party. Please never equivocate the two.

Here's a list of freedoms that Trump is trying to take away (I can source these if you want):

• Trying to ban burning the flag
• Wants to expand libel laws to sue the press for making claims that in retrospect turn out to be false
  • Is suing CNN for publishing a poll that he doesn't like.
  • Has tried to stop books from publishing that say things that he doesn't like.
• Is trying to revoke Article 230, which would essentially end all social media platforms like Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, etc. because Twitter flagged ONE of his tweets as misinformation.
• Told a private company to fire employees for protesting
• Supports the military coming in to fire on peaceful protesters. Fired tear gas into a crowd of peaceful protesters to get a photo op in front of a church (some of the people he tear gassed were members of said church, and no one from the church that I have seen supported his actions, or were even consulted).

That's pretty bad. Now, give me a list of what freedoms the left are trying to take away. Keep in mind that we are talking about politicians in order to avoid a false equivalence.

Trump's a fascist. I know you are going to get really triggered over that remark, but I am willing to defend it, as well.

To better describe my frustration with your position, let me use an analogy. Let's say I supported a Presidential Candidate who wanted to nuke Israel and take away the first amendment. When I would openly identify as a supporter of this candidate, some other people would chastise and vilify me. Now, my argument becomes that I not only support this candidate because they make my political opponents angry, but also because my opponents are trying to take away my freedoms. Do you get where my frustration comes from?

People are losing their jobs because they support Trump and or because they criticize the protests/riots. Impossible to have a logical discussion with those on the Left. My mistake for trying. Good Night.

So you compare "people losing their jobs" with all the freedoms Trump is taking away? You didn't even attempt to refute my argument? How can you possibly argue that you were more logical than I in that discussion?

Also, I specifically told you to talk about what politicians are doing, because that informs who you vote for. How the **** is Joe Biden going to control what a private business does? Why is this a reason to vote for Trump?

What freedoms did Trump take away?

Everyone, take note. This is what reactionary conservatism looks like. They take small snippets of what is going on with "the culture", and extrapolate it to mean that the "radical left" is out of control. Then, they say that they can not vote for people who have support from the radical left (conveniently ignoring the alt-right and nazis on the right) so they have to vote for Trump.

After getting blown the **** out on their argument, they call you stupid and hide behind "why can't we just all get along?"

I'm trying to have a good-faith argument, but you make it extremely difficult.

Oh, by the way, my Kansas City Chiefs are Super Bowl champions. Tom Brady isn't a Patriot anymore. Enjoy your sleep :)