Posted by chargingryno on 10/21/2021 12:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jholthus on 10/20/2021 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmax on 10/15/2021 10:33:00 PM (view original):
two "players" Shohei H Otani and Shohei P Otani

Unfortunately, after looking into this it sounds like getting two versions of the player isn't going to be happening. Trying to add the player with the same name to the database would cause issues with stats. Also, not many themes allow clones. So, I regret to inform you all that there will only be the one version of Ohtani :(.

Like others have mentioned - I don't have the code nor do I claim any knowledge on the subject of coding...

however, it seems that you may be looking at the issue under "how to give one player two seasons - one as a pitcher and one as a hitter" versus just looking it at as putting up separate players -with two separate player ID's - the hitter version of Ohtani and the pitcher version.

Not coded both as the same guy but exactly the same as there is a Catcher for LAD named Will Smith, and there is a pitcher for ATL named Will Smith. It seems reasonable to assume that you'd be able to create a hitter for LAA named Shohei Ohtani and a pitcher for LAA named Shohei Ohtani - and they do not need to be linked in any way.

I agree completely. It seems to me WIS is overthinking this and missing the obvious fix.

Without seeing the code, I think the easiest would be to code similar to what already exists with Abner Powell and just code the hitting season as a Combined Season and the pitching as a Partial season and then it can keep the same player ID and wouldn’t require creating a new player ID

Posted by just4me on 10/21/2021 3:38:00 PM (view original):
Without seeing the code, I think the easiest would be to code similar to what already exists with Abner Powell and just code the hitting season as a Combined Season and the pitching as a Partial season and then it can keep the same player ID and wouldn’t require creating a new player ID

Just make two player IDs. It's so simple a caveman could do it.

Pretty frustrating that WIS is taking this position on one of the most popular players in MLB; almost certainly the AL MVP. It's almost like they don't want to attract new players.

Just had an OL team finish where I used some 2021 batters:

Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
.342 /.431/.550, 38 HR, league-leading 199 RBI

Rafael Devers
.310/.362/.517, 30 HR, 152 RBI

Marcus Semien
.297/.346/.492, 33 HR, 162 RBI

Salvador Perez
.304/.353/.488, 33 HR, 115 RBI

Bo Bichette
.321/.356/.450, 21 HR, 107 RBI

Home park was Yankee Stadium III, and the top three batters in the lineup were high OBP guys (1954 Ashburn, 1893 McGraw, 1886 Gore) which accounts for the rather high RBI totals.

There were two other Vladdys in the league, and they put up slash lines similar to mine:

.356/.441/.549
.350/.428/.522

Would be interested in seeing other 2021 player stats, if anyone's got any to post...

I had a full 2021 team that just finished. We were 82-80 - with many highs and lows. My pitching started really well - and I even posted about Stroman and Manaea in a different thread due to their low $/IP and how well they were performing. The last two weeks of the season, however, they came back quite a bit. Offense started off really slow, but then had a couple guys finish with decent numbers. Overall, I was disappointed in this team. Some decent performances but SLG was way down. Home park was Shibe Park:

Hitters:

Name (Bats)	Pos	Order	%	PA	AB	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	SLG	Salary
Whit Merrifield '21 (R)	2B*	1	100	773	734	2	47	54	.279	.312	.350	3.93M
Juan Soto '21 (L)	LF*	2	96	750	603	13	91	1	.313	.441	.425	6.95M
Austin Riley '21 (R)	3B*	3	99	739	677	17	107	0	.313	.367	.442	5.47M
Salvador Perez '21 (R)	C *	4	100	712	671	25	124	0	.274	.309	.408	5.96M
Shohei Ohtani '21 (L)	RF^	5	100	605	541	20	81	0	.226	.302	.412	4.90M
Kyle Schwarber '21 (L)	1B^	6	90	573	505	13	55	0	.275	.361	.394	3.64M
Randy Arozarena '21 (R)	CF*	7	100	634	585	10	71	3	.248	.306	.368	4.07M
Javier Baez '21 (R)	SS*	9	96	628	597	14	84	28	.266	.303	.387	4.32M
Bench
Name (Bats)	Pos	Order	%	PA	AB	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	SLG	Salary
Alex Blandino '21 (R)	1B*	Bench	89	100	91	0	8	0	.132	.210	.187	201K
Khris Davis '21 (R)	LF*	Bench	100	40	34	0	3	0	.118	.250	.147	200K
Jose Iglesias '21 (R)	2B*	Bench	89	78	76	0	9	0	.382	.397	.434	539K
Connor Joe '21 (R)	LF*	Bench	100	182	167	4	25	0	.341	.385	.467	1.35M
Austin Romine '21 (R)	C *	Bench	100	50	50	0	2	0	.180	.180	.180	200K

Defense:

Player	SN	Pos	G	GS	Inn	PO	A	E	DP	+	-	Fld%	RF
Merrifield, Whit	2021	2B	162	162	1,455.7	370	493	12	63	21	0	.986	5.34
Riley, Austin	2021	3B	162	162	1,450.7	137	342	13	12	0	7	.974	2.97
Soto, Juan	2021	LF	162	162	1,443.7	266	3	1	1	9	0	.996	1.68
Baez, Javier	2021	SS	162	162	1,440.3	322	493	55	81	17	0	.937	5.09
Perez, Salvador	2021	C	162	162	1,420.3	986	98	8	4	0	0	.993	6.87
Arozarena, Randy	2021	CF	162	162	1,408.0	356	3	0	0	0	17	1.000	2.29
Ohtani, Shohei	2021	RF	141	136	1,231.3	202	7	28	0	0	23	.882	1.53
Schwarber, Kyle	2021	1B	115	115	980.0	1089	80	9	61	0	7	.992	10.74

Pitchers:

Pitcher	Role	%	G	W-L	SV	IP	ERA	OAV	WHIP	K/9	BB/9	Salary
Walker Buehler '21 (R)		100	33	17-7	0	233.2	2.66	.220	1.12	5.62	2.70	7.23M
Joe Musgrove '21 (R)		88 (100)	33	9-15	0	212.0	4.33	.274	1.43	6.28	3.14	5.09M
Max Scherzer '21 (R)		98 (99)	32	10-11	0	214.2	3.23	.233	1.10	7.38	1.93	6.71M
Sean Manaea '21 (L)		100	32	12-13	0	202.2	4.93	.294	1.41	5.95	2.00	3.94M
Marcus Stroman '21 (R)		98 (100)	32	13-12	0	207.1	4.17	.278	1.42	5.34	2.78	4.63M
Bullpen
Pitcher	Role	%	G	W-L	SV	IP	ERA	OAV	WHIP	K/9	BB/9	Salary
Jackson Kowar '21 (R)		35 (36)	22	2-2	0	44.1	18.88	.421	3.16	3.45	9.54	200K
Alek Manoah '21 (R)		89 (100)	90	6-2	17	125.2	2.01	.220	1.05	6.95	2.01	3.28M
Corey Kluber '21 (R)		100	37	1-9	4	30.1	9.20	.363	2.37	7.42	6.82	1.66M
Hunter Strickland '21 (R)		90 (92)	58	0-2	2	38.2	6.28	.288	1.73	4.66	5.12	1.23M
Jose Berrios '21 (R)		95 (100)	75	7-4	11	68.0	5.29	.285	1.50	7.15	2.91	1.73M
Tyler Gilbert '21 (L)		78 (95)	67	5-1	6	46.2	3.28	.227	1.29	3.09	3.86	1.07M
Richard Rodriguez '21 (R)		100	53	0-2	3	31.2	5.68	.313	1.80	5.97	3.41	1.47M

I have a 2nd 2021 team just over 100 games in, they're currently 56-50. I used Shibe park again as I ran these two teams mostly to test and see where base performances could lay. Almost a complete opposite experience to the one above - offense started off on fire - and pitching was getting shelled. They've both mellowed a bit, but this team looks to be performing a bit better at this point.

Hitters:

Name (Bats)	Pos	Order	%	PA	AB	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	SLG	Salary
Isiah Kiner-Falefa '21 (R)	SS*	1	97	506	480	3	40	14	.277	.312	.340	5.24M
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. '21 (R)	1B*	2	100	507	449	13	63	0	.330	.402	.465	6.99M
J.D. Martinez '21 (R)	LF^	3	97	471	427	5	53	0	.272	.329	.368	4.26M
Adam Frazier '21 (L)	2B*	4	91	336	308	1	40	0	.312	.366	.419	3.51M
Jesse Winker '21 (L)	RF*	5	91	382	332	5	44	0	.286	.380	.377	3.90M
Tony Kemp '21 (L)	CF^	6	91	313	271	3	37	1	.236	.335	.314	2.42M
Luis Arraez '21 (L)	3B*	7	100	345	313	1	56	0	.326	.386	.431	2.63M
Will Smith '21 (R)	C *	9	94	387	320	11	41	0	.213	.344	.341	3.52M
Bench
Name (Bats)	Pos	Order	%	PA	AB	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	SLG	Salary
Byron Buxton '21 (R)	CF*	Bench	92	202	191	8	39	8	.283	.312	.450	3.81M
Santiago Espinal '21 (R)	3B*	Bench	100	155	143	0	20	2	.322	.374	.406	1.73M
Austin Romine '21 (R)	C *	Bench	100	31	30	1	3	0	.200	.226	.300	200K
Mike Trout '21 (R)	LF*	Bench	87	122	92	1	8	0	.315	.475	.402	1.80M
Trea Turner '21 (R)	2B*	Bench	91	181	163	1	26	8	.350	.414	.454	2.50M

Fielding:

Player	SN	Pos	G	GS	Inn	PO	A	E	DP	+	-	Fld%	RF
Guerrero Jr., Vladimir	2021	1B	106	106	954.0	990	84	6	56	7	1	.994	10.13
Kiner-Falefa, Isiah	2021	SS	106	106	944.7	203	351	13	47	14	0	.977	5.28
Martinez, J.D.	2021	LF	106	106	915.0	182	2	6	0	0	3	.968	1.81
Smith, Will	2021	C	104	104	907.7	689	39	5	0	0	0	.993	7.22
Winker, Jesse	2021	RF	88	86	730.0	123	2	6	0	0	8	.954	1.54
Arraez, Luis	2021	3B	83	83	704.7	65	168	12	3	0	4	.951	2.98
Frazier, Adam	2021	2B	76	73	635.7	150	201	7	25	0	5	.980	4.97
Kemp, Tony	2021	CF	72	72	619.7	144	3	4	0	0	7	.974	2.14
Buxton, Byron	2021	CF	41	34	328.3	72	0	3	0	5	0	.960	1.97
Turner, Trea	2021	2B	37	32	307.3	76	83	2	18	0	0	.988	4.66
Espinal, Santiago	2021	3B	37	23	249.3	28	60	1	4	0	2	.989	3.18
Trout, Mike	2021	RF	24	16	163.0	30	0	0	0	0	1	1.000	1.66

Pitchers:

Pitcher	Role	%	G	W-L	SV	IP	ERA	OAV	WHIP	K/9	BB/9	Salary
Adam Wainwright '21 (R)		100	25	12-8	0	154.0	3.92	.226	1.13	6.31	2.57	5.98M
Sandy Alcantara '21 (R)		100	28	11-9	0	148.0	5.53	.261	1.37	6.39	3.10	5.88M
Julio Urias '21 (L)		94 (95)	23	9-6	0	148.1	3.58	.256	1.21	7.04	1.88	5.97M
Gerrit Cole '21 (R)		76 (89)	25	7-13	0	140.0	5.46	.293	1.53	8.04	2.83	5.32M
Clayton Kershaw '21 (L)	Starter #5	95 (97)	17	4-5	1	95.0	4.45	.264	1.27	7.11	2.08	3.57M
Bullpen
Pitcher	Role	%	G	W-L	SV	IP	ERA	OAV	WHIP	K/9	BB/9	Salary
Kyle Keller '21 (R)		55 (57)	13	0-2	0	21.1	29.53	.525	4.50	2.53	13.92	354K
Daniel Hudson '21 (R)		75 (90)	44	0-1	2	29.0	3.10	.211	0.97	8.07	1.55	1.08M
Hunter Strickland '21 (R)		76 (91)	41	0-0	3	30.1	2.37	.179	0.96	5.93	2.37	1.23M
Joe Kelly '21 (R)		90 (92)	41	3-0	3	32.0	5.34	.244	1.47	6.47	5.06	1.58M
Jose Berrios '21 (R)		100	52	2-2	6	47.1	4.37	.286	1.33	7.04	1.71	1.73M
Pablo Lopez '21 (R)		100	61	5-4	7	64.1	4.06	.301	1.54	5.74	2.94	2.61M
Tyler Rogers '21 (R)		100	39	3-0	10	44.1	0.81	.223	0.97	4.67	1.22	2.17M

Quote post by crazystengel on 12/11/2021 10:46:00 PM:

"Just had an OL team finish where I used some 2021 Would be interested in seeing other 2021 player stats, if anyone's got any to post..."

My $80M 2021 theme in 2021 yards wraps in a week. When they're dumped into Performance History I may list some early results of most expensive and/or most used. Your guess how well it plays against the other 136 years of historical players and parks, although at the high priced end even full-time bats aren't too expensive, but buyer beware in this age of SP IP/GM shorter outings.

Posted by ronthegenius on 10/21/2021 3:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 10/21/2021 12:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jholthus on 10/20/2021 12:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmax on 10/15/2021 10:33:00 PM (view original):
two "players" Shohei H Otani and Shohei P Otani

Unfortunately, after looking into this it sounds like getting two versions of the player isn't going to be happening. Trying to add the player with the same name to the database would cause issues with stats. Also, not many themes allow clones. So, I regret to inform you all that there will only be the one version of Ohtani :(.

Like others have mentioned - I don't have the code nor do I claim any knowledge on the subject of coding...

however, it seems that you may be looking at the issue under "how to give one player two seasons - one as a pitcher and one as a hitter" versus just looking it at as putting up separate players -with two separate player ID's - the hitter version of Ohtani and the pitcher version.

Not coded both as the same guy but exactly the same as there is a Catcher for LAD named Will Smith, and there is a pitcher for ATL named Will Smith. It seems reasonable to assume that you'd be able to create a hitter for LAA named Shohei Ohtani and a pitcher for LAA named Shohei Ohtani - and they do not need to be linked in any way.

I agree completely. It seems to me WIS is overthinking this and missing the obvious fix.

Just saw this. It would be relatively simple to even isolate Otani's hitting stats when he pitched vs. when he was DH/OF.

Two people, two different stat lines. Seriously, it's just like creating a "fake" player with a new set of stats. An intern on a TRS-80 could probably do it....

Other pay platforms separate them. Free ones also. I could have MadBum or Waino as just a hitter. How do the other guys do it ? What's the minimums or benchmark or baseline in determining using a player as either/both ? As a consumer, not my problem, only that it's possible. Ohtani is used as a combined player or option for either discipline practically everywhere.