If #5 is true, I would prefer GD roll back the ability to delete recruiting actions. Yes, there have been times that I have changed my mind, and I enjoy the benefits of being able to cancel them.

But, if it means that my opponent is able to get a huge recruiting advantage by playing the timing game, then I would want that loophole closed.

I would say that #1 and #5 are things that admin should respond too. They have the ability to look at the results of all games and see if this is happening.

Thanks majique for finally explaining this a little bit, you did the right thing by getting this stuff out in the open. Issues like this aren't likely to ever get fixed if only a handful of coaches know about them and aren't willing to reveal their secrets.

That said, #1(missing details...) and #2 might be "unrealistic" quirks of the game but I probably wouldn't consider them cheats or loopholes.

The other ones sound like unintended bugs and should definitely be looked into.

#1 and #5 are a very big deal.

#1 isn't coaches understanding the game at an Elite level. That's laughable. More like pressing the X button 3x fast while holding the joystick forward at the same time to get a special ability. In the PlayStation world, that's known as a cheat code.

#5 is a massive advantage.

This would explain some of the baffling things I've seen that didn't make sense.

I guess it depends on what he means on #1. I haven't witnessed the irregularities he speaks of but some coaches do understand how the SIM works and know how to get matchups they like. I wouldn't call that hitting the cheat button. If it was something like put X player in Y spot in Z formation and you know you get the slowest DL covering them on a deep route then I'd be concerned. Not enough there to make me hit the panic button on it.

#5 seems like a huge deal to me and that's the one that I'd definitely want WIS to look into soon. Agree with johnalan in that it gives way too big of a recruiting advantage.

I can't even fathom #5 being true but this game can be messed up sometimes. Seems like something the WIS staff could investigate pretty easy.

#1 - I know this exist and my response is mixed. If it's something they worked hard to figure out on their own cool for the most part. If someone told them...lame. I don't know of any of these manipulations, mostly because I'm lazy lol/don't care enough and I don't talk to any other coaches outside of the website.

Probably also depends what that "cheat code" (for lack of a better term) is or does for the user. Does it work every time? Help by 15% on plays most times? All that makes a difference.

There are a couple of coaches in each of the world's I play that clearly have been told or have figured something out. It does feel a bit pointless when I play them or as if I'm being handicapped....but I'm not bitter about it, as I know if I really wanted to and put the time into it I could do the same. It's my own fault.

Would I use a "cheat code" if another coach told me or I figured it out myself? For sure for a bit...I'll admit that. However, i think after awhile it would take away a lot of the satisfaction of beating others that aren't in on it. Just my take.

#5 - That's some BS if real, and I bet it is. I have noticed the delay/timing that would allow such a thing. That's just straight up cheating. I've lost like 10 battles (at most) in the last 5 human years, so I'm not noticing it obviously being used against me.

Posted by ricemt28 on 7/6/2023 4:10:00 PM (view original):
I guess it depends on what he means on #1. I haven't witnessed the irregularities he speaks of but some coaches do understand how the SIM works and know how to get matchups they like. I wouldn't call that hitting the cheat button. If it was something like put X player in Y spot in Z formation and you know you get the slowest DL covering them on a deep route then I'd be concerned. Not enough there to make me hit the panic button on it.

" The method is not in line with what one would expect to see in an actual football game, hence it goes contrary to what a coach would be able to do in the real world. "

Non football method to take advantage of the flawed code. This is supposed to be a football sim, not a coding sim.

"There are a couple of coaches in each of the world's I play that clearly have been told or have figured something out. It does feel a bit pointless when I play them or as if I'm being handicapped "

Agree, it is very clear who is doing it. WIS wonders why they can't keep repeat customers? I feel for the poor sap who signs up for the first time. Large learning curve and even if he gets it right he has to deal with the cheats.

I still want to know why my Coach always has the back up QB come in and save the day in the Red Zone and end up having 15 more TD's than the starting QB. There are so many "inaccuracies" in this game as to how a person whom has actually, played, coached or even watched the game just throw things like Durability out the window.

#5 is shady AF, and since I live overseas and cannot get up at 3am to do recruiting, I guess I need to be satisfied with quarterfinal losses each year. But I won't be playing come fall.

#5: I've noticed this last recruiting cycle. I believe I posted a rant on here about the glitch and I was on the short end. I still won the recruit but theres definitely cheating, loophoole. I'm not sure it was because North Texas user did it which caused my player to turn red in that short few minutes or if the glitch is was just there and something caused the player to turn red and take my money. So I wonder how many coaches know this, tbh I'm too lazy to replicate but definitely needs to be looked at. Could've saved me $10,000 in those few minutes alone. I wonder how much I've drained from it. I'm saying this golden moment is being used during battles as well against other coaches if they are in a battle that little window. But this could all be UFO talk.

EVERYONE SHOULD SHARE GLITCHES AND CHEATS TO HAVE WIS AWARE AND FIX IT.

I have one #6... If you run with the QB/WR you won't fumble. I should put this in my offense especially at the goalline because I fumbled at the 1yd line in the playoffs with my RB to lose the game..

#7: THIS STILL IS BEING USED. I try to keep an eye out for usernames and weird recruiting. If you get a 2nd username you can get a job near your primary team and AC scout for you. Or battle your rivals to drain there money. I know WIS doesn't lookout for this bc they have other stuff to do but it does happen in every world. Most arent obvious.

Posted by realist9900 on 7/6/2023 6:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ricemt28 on 7/6/2023 4:10:00 PM (view original):
I guess it depends on what he means on #1. I haven't witnessed the irregularities he speaks of but some coaches do understand how the SIM works and know how to get matchups they like. I wouldn't call that hitting the cheat button. If it was something like put X player in Y spot in Z formation and you know you get the slowest DL covering them on a deep route then I'd be concerned. Not enough there to make me hit the panic button on it.

" The method is not in line with what one would expect to see in an actual football game, hence it goes contrary to what a coach would be able to do in the real world. "

Non football method to take advantage of the flawed code. This is supposed to be a football sim, not a coding sim.

What's a non football method? I don't love that you need to rotate your QB out on running plays to be able to get your QB1 to manage 30 throws in a game without your backup coming in but that's been the game forever.

Figuring out how to get you players in the matchups you want is the only interesting part to actual game planning in this game. There are coaches that are excellent at it and I experiment and dabble to see what works best to counter them.

I'd hate to see the game even further devolve into solely a talent acquisition game. It's already skewed too far that way in my opinion.

#5 is a huge problem if it exists. I just haven't run into it personally. Simple solution to that is exactly what Chetty mentioned. Eliminate the ability to withdraw recruiting actions if the problem actually exists.

I don't know how to quantify/qualify the outcome, but related to #5, during a recent recruiting cycle there was a battle and the recruit was YELLOW. I would say about 1 hour after the cycle had turned, the player had turned GREEN but did not sign even though a scholarship had been given. Maybe an hour later the recruit had turned YELLOW again before the next cycle. I don't know how to explain that. Eventually still won the battle, so didn't report anything.

Posted by ricemt28 on 7/6/2023 8:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by realist9900 on 7/6/2023 6:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ricemt28 on 7/6/2023 4:10:00 PM (view original):
I guess it depends on what he means on #1. I haven't witnessed the irregularities he speaks of but some coaches do understand how the SIM works and know how to get matchups they like. I wouldn't call that hitting the cheat button. If it was something like put X player in Y spot in Z formation and you know you get the slowest DL covering them on a deep route then I'd be concerned. Not enough there to make me hit the panic button on it.

" The method is not in line with what one would expect to see in an actual football game, hence it goes contrary to what a coach would be able to do in the real world. "

Non football method to take advantage of the flawed code. This is supposed to be a football sim, not a coding sim.

What's a non football method? I don't love that you need to rotate your QB out on running plays to be able to get your QB1 to manage 30 throws in a game without your backup coming in but that's been the game forever.

Figuring out how to get you players in the matchups you want is the only interesting part to actual game planning in this game. There are coaches that are excellent at it and I experiment and dabble to see what works best to counter them.

I'd hate to see the game even further devolve into solely a talent acquisition game. It's already skewed too far that way in my opinion.

#5 is a huge problem if it exists. I just haven't run into it personally. Simple solution to that is exactly what Chetty mentioned. Eliminate the ability to withdraw recruiting actions if the problem actually exists.

I could be wrong, but what majique was describing isn't a roster management deal. As in who's in the game for different situations. It sounds like something different.