Posted by jpeterso on 12/9/2023 3:38:00 PM (view original):
My son will join the league. I think his user name is dcpeterson. Player, park tbd

Got him down.

Thanks for answering the forum questions jp. Great explanations!

That's one thing about this game that's not good, all of the deadball pitchers that get used because of their innings and low ERA's. ALL players should be normalized for a neutral era. But they don't do that in this sim, so you end up with most teams using deadball pitchers a lot. Even 19th century pitchers with shitloads of innings. Meanwhile I've never seen anybody use Lefty Grove yet. One of the greatest ever, but nobody uses him because his ERAs are not that impressive compared to lots of other guys from other eras. He also was not a HUGE innings guy like some of the other all time greats. His ERA+ numbers are outstanding, but this sim does not seem to take that into account when coding the pitchers.

It's a joke that 1908 Wagner is not highest salaried SS. No other SS season is even close to that when the proper era adjustments are made.

Posted by savoybg on 12/12/2023 1:52:00 AM (view original):
That's one thing about this game that's not good, all of the deadball pitchers that get used because of their innings and low ERA's. ALL players should be normalized for a neutral era. But they don't do that in this sim, so you end up with most teams using deadball pitchers a lot. Even 19th century pitchers with shitloads of innings. Meanwhile I've never seen anybody use Lefty Grove yet. One of the greatest ever, but nobody uses him because his ERAs are not that impressive compared to lots of other guys from other eras. He also was not a HUGE innings guy like some of the other all time greats. His ERA+ numbers are outstanding, but this sim does not seem to take that into account when coding the pitchers.

It's a joke that 1908 Wagner is not highest salaried SS. No other SS season is even close to that when the proper era adjustments are made.

I hear you. I learned stats in college from a text that used lots of baseball examples (thank goodness). Normalizing (using a Z score) by eras, comparing player performance not to raw modern era stats but by how much they over or under performed relative to baseline in their own eras allows for an apples to apples comparison and it was my most memorable lesson. Would love to see it done better in WIS. The point is, in the 40 mill league, we try to account for this by limiting dead ball era players, but not eliminating altogether.

Could WIS us other means of normalizing, sure, but they do normalize using the log5 method. And deadball pitchers are priced fairly compared to performance of modern pitchers (see the TWISL thread bumped in main forum). Deadball pitchers value in this league is mostly related to volume of IP and discounts from poor quality seasons having salaries reduced during the dynamic pricing era, which led to them being more prevalent on most rosters. This league looked at balancing roster diversity and banning deadball players was one way to do that.

Even without that large pool of players from 1885-1919, you can see from the blacklistings above there are very few due to players being on 3+ rosters. There is a ton of roster diversity in this league and at this cap in general. I've run a number of fun rosters with $10m hitters and $12m pitchers, had three $5m hitters... etc... you can do a ton of fun things here at this cap.

Generally speaking, I don't draft deadball pitchers period because I find it easier to maximize value from modern pitchers, especially with fatigue, at this cap (literally have a 2022 player in a $30m league right now about to double his RL IP). That said, if I am using my exclusive pick on a pitcher, it's for a deadball pitcher so I can grab a ton of IP in one pitcher and because I can generally draft the modern pitchers I want at any time, so no reason to use an exclusive pick for them. For hitters, same rule mostly applies, I use my exclusive on deadball hitters to grab someone unique or that allows me to build a certain type of team that I can't easily get from modern players, or that I can get from modern players and this allows me one extra player of that type. Only snag a modern hitter as exclusive if it's one of those few low cap studs (Coleman, Thompson, Kingman, etc).

My exclusives: Harry Ables and Dodger Stadium

League number coming shortly

Savoy - I have not used a "deadball" pitcher (by that, I mean a guy who pitched a ton of innings.) To be fully transparent, last season I used 1919 Al Demaree, who has something like 150 IP/162. He did pitch in the deadball era, but I don't think he's the type of player you are thinking of.

I made the World Series two seasons in a row (and won it last season). There are other strategies that can win.

Posted by sinatra on 12/13/2023 9:28:00 AM (view original):
Savoy - I have not used a "deadball" pitcher (by that, I mean a guy who pitched a ton of innings.) To be fully transparent, last season I used 1919 Al Demaree, who has something like 150 IP/162. He did pitch in the deadball era, but I don't think he's the type of player you are thinking of.

I made the World Series two seasons in a row (and won it last season). There are other strategies that can win.

Mr. Sinatra, did you just strip Sedan Delivery of our hard-fought championship last season?
https://youtu.be/a41503VlZC0

Posted by gogotoads on 12/13/2023 4:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by sinatra on 12/13/2023 9:28:00 AM (view original):
Savoy - I have not used a "deadball" pitcher (by that, I mean a guy who pitched a ton of innings.) To be fully transparent, last season I used 1919 Al Demaree, who has something like 150 IP/162. He did pitch in the deadball era, but I don't think he's the type of player you are thinking of.

I made the World Series two seasons in a row (and won it last season). There are other strategies that can win.

Mr. Sinatra, did you just strip Sedan Delivery of our hard-fought championship last season?
https://youtu.be/a41503VlZC0

Sorry, I forgot when I won and when I was runner up

I took Anaheim Stadium and did not select an Exclusive Player outside the date ranges.

Posted by Pipeline on 12/13/2023 6:04:00 PM (view original):
I took Anaheim Stadium and did not select an Exclusive Player outside the date ranges.

You should take, and name, an exclusive player because it is part of the strategy of making competitors worse by having that player unavailable to them. Choose a low salary guy if nothing else because those are popular end of bench choices. Choose a guy who is good value in terms of ABs to HR or SB ratio so that other teams can't pick them. Anyway, it's your choice but consider it.

I am going to take a second team because I am having fun with my first one, which is made up of 16 guys who played in both MLB and the Negro Leagues (plus one guy who's grandfather played in both). Player and park for the second team tba.

i will take Sicks' Stadium and Mike Prendergast for team 2

exclusive is Ben Harris, ballpark Navin Stadium.

1885 Billy Serad Will be my exclusive i guess and The Astrodome for my park