ward was in the wrong, but walker was even more in the wrong cause of his third man in cheap shot

Quote: Originally Posted By bb_icetime on 5/11/2009Cullen was not fighting, so Ward's shot to Cullen is what? A cheap shot

Who said Cullen was not going to fight? Are you psychic? No one said Ward was fighting either, a fight generally requires the participants to drop their gloves. Ward still had his gloves on, so at best it was a face wash, that is pretty common in this series. Walker skated up, dropped his gloves and was third man in on the scene, hitting a player he was not even engaged in with a fist, not a gloved hand. He recieved 17 minutes worth of penalties for what the on -ice officials deemed a cheap shot. He should get a suspension and so should Maurice.

Quote: Originally Posted By beezhockey on 5/11/2009
I have seen that stuff from both sides. There have been plenty of high hits on the Canes part as well as extra-curricular activity. My point was not so much the hit on Chara, but more the cheap shot on Ward and Maurice's comments about it. If that had been, say, Sean Avery making that comment, there would have been a suspension for sure.

As far as Chara, I merely refuted your statement that after taking the hit, he was back next shift. That was not an accurate statement. I never defended him as a saint, he is playing hockey, the same as every other player on the ice. The Canes have been running Thomas all series, but interference has only been called once.

My quote was an exaggerated quip in refernece to Chara's own over exaggerated reaction. He didn't play the last minute or so in the 2nd period, he wouldn't have played that anyway because he just got off of an extended shift. He didn't play the first shift in the 3rd because it wasn't the matchup the Bruins wanted. But when the matchup was right, he did return. Even the commentators noted that.

Quote: Originally Posted By bb_icetime on 5/11/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By beezhockey on 5/11/2009

I have seen that stuff from both sides. There have been plenty of high hits on the Canes part as well as extra-curricular activity. My point was not so much the hit on Chara, but more the cheap shot on Ward and Maurice's comments about it. If that had been, say, Sean Avery making that comment, there would have been a suspension for sure.

As far as Chara, I merely refuted your statement that after taking the hit, he was back next shift. That was not an accurate statement. I never defended him as a saint, he is playing hockey, the same as every other player on the ice. The Canes have been running Thomas all series, but interference has only been called once.

My quote was an exaggerated quip in refernece to Chara's own over exaggerated reaction. He didn't play the last minute or so in the 2nd period, he wouldn't have played that anyway because he just got off of an extended shift. He didn't play the first shift in the 3rd because it wasn't the matchup the Bruins wanted. But when the matchup was right, he did return. Even the commentators noted that

Actually, Chara was not even on the bench at the start of the third period, so regardless of match-up or not, he could not have started the third.

Cullen is not a fighter. He's not going to get up and drop the gloves, never has. Ward took a liberty, a cheap shot as you said, to a player on the other team that is a fighter or grinder but is the team's #2 playmaker. C'mon, some players fight, others don't. Gretzky didn't, but if you roughed him up you had to deal with Semenko. Cullen doesn't fight, you take a liberty on him, you deal with Walker. This stuff has been going on in hockey for as long as it's been played.

Quote: Originally Posted By beezhockey on 5/11/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By bb_icetime on 5/11/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By beezhockey on 5/11/2009

I have seen that stuff from both sides. There have been plenty of high hits on the Canes part as well as extra-curricular activity. My point was not so much the hit on Chara, but more the cheap shot on Ward and Maurice's comments about it. If that had been, say, Sean Avery making that comment, there would have been a suspension for sure.

As far as Chara, I merely refuted your statement that after taking the hit, he was back next shift. That was not an accurate statement. I never defended him as a saint, he is playing hockey, the same as every other player on the ice. The Canes have been running Thomas all series, but interference has only been called once.

My quote was an exaggerated quip in refernece to Chara's own over exaggerated reaction. He didn't play the last minute or so in the 2nd period, he wouldn't have played that anyway because he just got off of an extended shift. He didn't play the first shift in the 3rd because it wasn't the matchup the Bruins wanted. But when the matchup was right, he did return. Even the commentators noted that.

Actually, Chara was not even on the bench at the start of the third period, so regardless of match-up or not, he could not have started the third.

As I said, even the commentators noted that and how the Bruins did this to "extend" the intermission period for Chara.

Well let's see, Aaron Ward had a grand total of 44 penalty minutes for the entire 2008-09 season, so I wouldn't exactly classify him as a fighter.

Aaron ward is a hard nosed, gritty and physcal player. As is Walker. Cullen is not, he is more of a playmaker. Ward and Walker are not goons or players whose sole purpose if to fight but they will drop the gloves in defense of a teammate.

As I've said, I'm not defending Walker. What I am saying is that you can't do the things that Ward did and not expect retaliation. You don't punch the team's #2 playmaker when he is down on the ice and not expect someone to come in defense of that player. Walker did what anyone else would have done in the same situation. And I'm sure if a Cane would have punch Kessel in the same fashion, a Bruin would have went after that player. Ward is guilty of standing there like he did nothing and not protecting himself.

Cullen was not down on the ice, at least to my recollection. He was standing face to face with Ward. Walker skated in across crease to Ward's , Cullen's right, dropped his gloves, and hit Ward in the face. Cullen had his hands on Cullen, with gloves still on. If Walker had maybe done a face wash or wrapped up Ward to get him off Cullen, no problem, boys will be boys. But Walker crossed the line by dropping the gloves and doing what he did.

Cullen was falling to the ground. If you're going to talk so strongly about it, at least have some idea of what actually happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynS7OUUCLx8

Quote: Originally Posted By sparky2441 on 5/11/2009Cullen was falling to the ground. If you're going to talk so strongly about it, at least have some idea of what actually happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynS7OUUCLx8

Falling to the ice, not ground (I thought they educated you Canes fans about hockey), is not quite the same as someone getting punched while they are down.

Walker will be gone for Game 6 anyways, it's more a question of whether that's all he'll miss.

(I'm not going to touch anything else).

Now you're just not making any sense. Are you implying Aaron Ward was down when he got punched? I've got the link to the clip right in that quote, you should probably go ahead and watch it for the first time.

You are right, Cullen was falling face first, hands extended to the ice. Walker was already there. He grabbed at Ward with his while he was dropping his gloves, and Ward shook him off! Ward just stood there with his arms down by his side. Walker then grabbed him the second time and threw the punch. Watch the video. Ward had time to protect himself, but didn't. Walker got the jump on him, but he didn't blindside him. The punch didn't come out of no where or behind him, they were there face to face and Ward had even shook off Walker's first attempt to grab him.

The more and more I watch the video, the less inclined I am to say it was a cheap shot or sucker punch. What is evident is that Ward was aware of what was going on and didn't do anything to protect himself.

Quote: Originally Posted By sparky2441 on 5/11/2009Now you're just not making any sense. Are you implying Aaron Ward was down when he got punched? I've got the link to the clip right in that quote, you should probably go ahead and watch it for the first time

Do they teach reading the English language in the Carolinas? bb icetime is claiming that Cullen was down when he got hit by Ward. You are claiming he was falling down. At no time did I say anything about Ward being down.