Clinton up 4 in Georgia?? 11 in Pennsylvania? 15 in New Hampshire?

Hey Moy, any poll results to post?

he better start on Hillary soon

This is where moy just reposts Trump's Twitter feed and tries to ignore the fact that Trump is getting DEMOLISHED.

Tiny-handed, fake billionaire.

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Is there something wrong with saying black lives matter?

Not at all.

Do you think there is something wrong with saying "all lives matter"?

As a response to black lives matter? Yes.

Yes, it's a flippant response to a much bigger problem than "all lives matter". We all get that "all lives matter".....and there are zero people that disagree with that statement.....unless they're racist pieces of ****.


The problem with "all lives matter" is that there are certain "lives" that have mattered for the entirety of our country and there are "lives" that haven't and still don't. As humans, let's not pretend that's not the truth. Even to this day, there are a **** ton of people that don't believe that "all lives matter", because they don't give a **** about black lives.

Look at how the white dude who shot up the church in South Carolina was treated when he was captured and then look at how the black dude in Minnesota with a legal license to conceal carry was shot dead. Yeah, it's just two extreme examples...but those examples seem to happen fairly frequently in life.

You don't have to agree with the tactics that BLM are using but it's pretty hard to argue their point.

I just posted, well last night, that I don't give a **** about "all lives". I don't give a **** if they take Dylan Roof behind the courthouse and shoot him in the head. He's sort of white.

Am I a racist piece of ****?

Taint?

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 7:35:00 PM (view original):
Is there something wrong with saying black lives matter?

Not at all.

Do you think there is something wrong with saying "all lives matter"?

As a response to black lives matter? Yes.

Yes, it's a flippant response to a much bigger problem than "all lives matter". We all get that "all lives matter".....and there are zero people that disagree with that statement.....unless they're racist pieces of ****.


The problem with "all lives matter" is that there are certain "lives" that have mattered for the entirety of our country and there are "lives" that haven't and still don't. As humans, let's not pretend that's not the truth. Even to this day, there are a **** ton of people that don't believe that "all lives matter", because they don't give a **** about black lives.

Look at how the white dude who shot up the church in South Carolina was treated when he was captured and then look at how the black dude in Minnesota with a legal license to conceal carry was shot dead. Yeah, it's just two extreme examples...but those examples seem to happen fairly frequently in life.

You don't have to agree with the tactics that BLM are using but it's pretty hard to argue their point.

Not arguing their point. If I say all lives matter, I am not dismissing concerns about black lives mattering just as much as any other lives. The sad thing is that there has to be a black lives matter, or a police lives matter. Every life matters and its a sad world we live in when that is not true.

Every life doesn't matter. Tell me why Dylan Roof's life matters. What will be his contribution to society? Will it outweigh the damage he has caused for 9 families?

His life matters in the sense that he deserves justice. That might end up being the death penalty, but at least he gets a trial. Unlike, say, John Crawford.

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Yeah, that's the explanation I said we could use for the purpose of this discussion.

Are all lives being treated equally or is there a problem with a specific group inside that "all?"

Why would that be relevant?

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

It's relevant because if there is a problem with one group, it makes sense to address the problems faced by that specific group.

And, no surprise here, you didn't respond to the rest of the post.

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

Not mutually exclusive. Dismissive.

Obviously all lives matter. Everyone already agrees on that. But there's a problem with how blacks are treated. There isn't a problem with how everyone is treated.

True. Blacks are treated like **** by other blacks. 2400+ people shot this year in Chicago alone. Almost exclusively black on black violence. That's like one person getting shot every 2 hours in Chicago. BLM doesn't care about that.... But **** it, Laquan McDonald gets shot by a white cop and now they care.


Compare to Police-involved shootings in Chicago this year.... 14.

Thing is, if the shooters in the civilian on civilian crime are caught, they're brought to justice. Not always the case when it's the government killing black people.

If shooters in these black on black crimes were caught (which is rare) and brought to justice... We'd have more blacks being incarcerated and you'd be complaining how unjust the legal system is because there's an unfair number of black people being locked up. You'd probably suggest cops be reassigned out of Englewood (300 black on black shootings this year) and reasign them to Winnetka so they could start looking for some white shooters, even though no one has been shot in Winnetka (an affluent, primarily white neighborhood) in maybe 100 years.

So Moy, serious question. What solutions do you have for the urban low-income black communities that are struggling?

It's a complex answer I don't have time for right now.... But in short form it can only be accomplished if the black community, it's leaders, it's teachers, it's parents put as much energy as they do protesting police into fixing the schools, getting dealers locked up, and creating a culture of 'moving forward' towards success regardless of obstacles in the way.

But that's hard work.... It's easier to deflect and blame the police who happen to be the ONLY people in these communities trying to protect the honest to god good people that are too poor to get out.

From what you just said, it sounds like you are saying its all on urban low-income blacks to fix their own problems, that they are lazy, and you really don't want to spend any of your time dealing with it.

My god, when I read something like that, its so hard to figure out why the black community thinks there's racism out there. Really confusing.

Moy - make sure you properly hem you Clan outfit so you don't trip on it next time you go off on a cross burning.

Posted by all3 on 8/5/2016 9:42:00 AM (view original):
It's a complex answer I don't have time for right now.... But in short form it can only be accomplished if the black community, it's leaders, it's teachers, it's parents put as much energy as they do protesting police into fixing the schools, getting dealers locked up, and creating a culture of 'moving forward' towards success regardless of obstacles in the way.

But that's hard work.... It's easier to deflect and blame the police who happen to be the ONLY people in these communities trying to protect the honest to god good people that are too poor to get out.

AMEN MOY.

Not a really shock you agree with him.

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Posted by bad_luck on 8/4/2016 4:39:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, that's the explanation I said we could use for the purpose of this discussion.

Are all lives being treated equally or is there a problem with a specific group inside that "all?"

Why would that be relevant?

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

It's relevant because if there is a problem with one group, it makes sense to address the problems faced by that specific group.

And, no surprise here, you didn't respond to the rest of the post.

Do you think that "All Lives Matter" is mutually exclusive with "Black Lives Matter"? In other words, if you believe in one does that mean you are (or should be) opposed to the other?

Not mutually exclusive. Dismissive.

Obviously all lives matter. Everyone already agrees on that. But there's a problem with how blacks are treated. There isn't a problem with how everyone is treated.

True. Blacks are treated like **** by other blacks. 2400+ people shot this year in Chicago alone. Almost exclusively black on black violence. That's like one person getting shot every 2 hours in Chicago. BLM doesn't care about that.... But **** it, Laquan McDonald gets shot by a white cop and now they care.


Compare to Police-involved shootings in Chicago this year.... 14.

Thing is, if the shooters in the civilian on civilian crime are caught, they're brought to justice. Not always the case when it's the government killing black people.

If shooters in these black on black crimes were caught (which is rare) and brought to justice... We'd have more blacks being incarcerated and you'd be complaining how unjust the legal system is because there's an unfair number of black people being locked up. You'd probably suggest cops be reassigned out of Englewood (300 black on black shootings this year) and reasign them to Winnetka so they could start looking for some white shooters, even though no one has been shot in Winnetka (an affluent, primarily white neighborhood) in maybe 100 years.

So Moy, serious question. What solutions do you have for the urban low-income black communities that are struggling?

It's a complex answer I don't have time for right now.... But in short form it can only be accomplished if the black community, it's leaders, it's teachers, it's parents put as much energy as they do protesting police into fixing the schools, getting dealers locked up, and creating a culture of 'moving forward' towards success regardless of obstacles in the way.

But that's hard work.... It's easier to deflect and blame the police who happen to be the ONLY people in these communities trying to protect the honest to god good people that are too poor to get out.

From what you just said, it sounds like you are saying its all on urban low-income blacks to fix their own problems, that they are lazy, and you really don't want to spend any of your time dealing with it.

My god, when I read something like that, its so hard to figure out why the black community thinks there's racism out there. Really confusing.

Moy - make sure you properly hem you Clan outfit so you don't trip on it next time you go off on a cross burning.

Let me ask you this.

If there's a hole in your roof, do you ***** and moan that no one has showed up to fix it while the rain pours in or do you take it upon yourself to do what you can to keep the inside dry until someone with the proper gear comes in to do it right?

Lets look at moy's statement in more detail. His message seems to be:

"Blacks should handle their own issues." Well they are addressing what they think is an issue when they march in protest against police shootings right? I'm not seeing riots out there.

But, ignoring reality here, moy's statement leads to...

"Blacks don't even know what their own issues are." Because the real issues are 'locking up drug dealers" "Fixing schools" "Creating a forward culture". Moy and most whites know this because they have spent time in these neighborhoods and have done a lot of thinking about the problems in these areas.

which leads to...

"Whites need to tell blacks, or even GUIDE them to what the issues are." Because if they can't figure it out, and whites so magically understand the problems, then they must be either dumb or ignoring the real issues.

But, Moy said he didn't really want to deal with it right? So it comes down to "If Blacks can't figure it out, they need whites to show them the way, yet whites aren't dealing with it."

But you aren't going down that road are you Mike? You understand that this a complex issue in which either you OR ME could possibly understand because we are light years away from that world. Right?

Oh my, the white mans burden.

It's a complex answer I don't have time for right now.... But in short form it can only be accomplished if the black community, it's leaders, it's teachers, it's parents put as much energy as they do protesting police into fixing the schools, getting dealers locked up, and creating a culture of 'moving forward' towards success regardless of obstacles in the way.

But that's hard work.... It's easier to deflect and blame the police who happen to be the ONLY people in these communities trying to protect the honest to god good people that are too poor to get out.

MOY NAILED IT AGAIN! GOOD WORK!

Posted by sjpoker on 8/5/2016 4:45:00 PM (view original):
Lets look at moy's statement in more detail. His message seems to be:

"Blacks should handle their own issues." Well they are addressing what they think is an issue when they march in protest against police shootings right? I'm not seeing riots out there.

But, ignoring reality here, moy's statement leads to...

"Blacks don't even know what their own issues are." Because the real issues are 'locking up drug dealers" "Fixing schools" "Creating a forward culture". Moy and most whites know this because they have spent time in these neighborhoods and have done a lot of thinking about the problems in these areas.

which leads to...

"Whites need to tell blacks, or even GUIDE them to what the issues are." Because if they can't figure it out, and whites so magically understand the problems, then they must be either dumb or ignoring the real issues.

But, Moy said he didn't really want to deal with it right? So it comes down to "If Blacks can't figure it out, they need whites to show them the way, yet whites aren't dealing with it."

But you aren't going down that road are you Mike? You understand that this a complex issue in which either you OR ME could possibly understand because we are light years away from that world. Right?

Well, you didn't answer the question. The answer is "I fix my roof the best I can because help may never come."

I won't address it as a black/white issue. I'll address it as a poor issue. And I'll address it as someone who slept in their car for three days because they had nowhere to live and as someone who was glad they had a car.

I had nowhere to live. I had no money. I said "**** it. I created this. I'll fix it." I took my next paycheck, part-time, found a ****** trailer I could afford and moved into the shittiest neighborhood in the state. I cut back my college classes(I know, privileged white boy) so I could go to work full-time. I solved my problem without help. I could have moved back home, I could have asked my parents for help. But I took it upon myself to undo the shitstorm I created. Because it was MY situation.

Then I ****** up again 3 years later. I quit taking college courses because I was already working full-time. I took two ****** part-time jobs. A janitor. Which meant I cleaned ****** toilets. A midnight convenience store clerk in that ****** neighborhood that I once lived in when I ****** up before but had worked my way out of. I did this so I could pay the bills I created. Easy way was to default. I took the other way. Slept 3 hours a night 5 days a week then all day Sat/Sun until my midnight shift came up. No life. But I fixed the problem, quit the extra jobs after 7 months and started taking college classes again. Got my degree at 32.

Guess what I did? ****** up again. Fortunately, I was making good money but my numerous credit cards were blistering hot. I didn't do **** for a year other than play ball. Paid my credit cards off during that year.

Now I could have griped about how the system had ****** poor ol' 19 y/o MikeT23. Or 22 y/o MikeT23. Or 33 y/o MikeT23. I didn't. I just focused on fixing MY problems because they were MY problems.

I won't pretend to understand the plight of those living in poor, black neighborhoods. But I know there is a lot of complaining about how it's impossible to get out of them. How the system keeps them in their place. Yet, every now and then, someone gets out. How? Do you think it's due to complaining about the system ******* them over? Or could they possibly have focused their energy on improving their situation? I fully understand that some people just don't have the "tools" to move up. Hard work is all they can do and they'll still be in poverty. So, in your opinion, why are most people stuck in poverty? Keep in mind, if you say "They just don't have the intelligence to get out", you're more racist than you claim moy is. If you say "They just can't get jobs", I'll tell you that every business on earth wants hard workers.

I'll add that I have no idea if my situation plays the same way if I was black when I ****** up the first time. I don't think I was given any breaks because I was white but, maybe, the convenience store doesn't hire me if I'm black. There was a black girl working the 3-11 shift so I don't think color was an issue. There are plenty of black janitors so I'm sure I could have cleaned toilets as a black man.

But, maybe, someone would have called the cops if they saw a black man sleeping in a car in a parking garage. Maybe I'd have got shot. But, other than that, I don't think skin color played a role.