Lefty 2B Topic

Quote: Originally Posted By jamsing7 on 4/02/2008
Apparently this guy Uncle Al is making quite the arguement but is tending not to see the obvious matters of "if it were even half way idealic, then coaches and managers around the country would do it."
That's because he's a lying idiot.
4/2/2008 10:20 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By jamsing7 on 4/02/2008
Ok, it was a rebuttal to what I was saying though Billyho....He did not say anything at all which in my eyes is a defense of his copy and paste. Anyway, I am quite chilled, just got back from getting my wife some hash browns because she is "craving"....I just keep thinking about the whole pivot that a y would have to attempt in order to make a throw....that guy better throw as hard as Shawon Dunston did or he will never throw a catcher out.
Mikeclaw, tell you what, tonight after work, I will attempt to read it. Apparently this guy Uncle Al is making quite the arguement but is tending not to see the obvious matters of "if it were even half way idealic, then coaches and managers around the country would do it."
It was my copy-and-paste, not Billyho's. He was just pointing it out.

If a y second baseman attempted this manuever and threw like Shawon Dunston, they would find his arm lying in some other part of the field where it landed when it became detached. I haven't figured out where it would land just yet. Can't figure the trajectory. But I do believe his arm might travel father than the ball.

Again, read the thread. I can honestly say that nothing has made me laugh as hard as this thread in the past six months.
4/2/2008 11:47 AM
I had a softball practice last night and put this to the test, sort of.
We had no y's there, so we reversed the infield (1B was now 3B; 3B was now 1B). Not sure it that would be accurate enough though.
We found that if you make the turn more of a jump step it can be turned with an accurate throw, but it would take too long and never get anyone out at first, and you are also more suceptable to the take out slide.
4/2/2008 6:10 PM
It can be done. It's just not efficient or an "advantage" in any way, shape or form.
4/2/2008 6:13 PM
I am a y....I could do it
but nobody else could
4/2/2008 6:17 PM
This is not a "Can you beat-off equally well with both hands?" thread.
4/2/2008 6:19 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mikeclaw on 4/02/2008
jamsing - apparently you haven't read the full thread. i know it looks daunting at 34 pages, but i urge you to read it. i promise you it will be worth every minute you spend.
and, needless to say, if you actually attempted steps 4 and 4 1/2 while moving at regular speed, an errant throw would be the least of your worries. the injuries you would sustain to your back, shoulder and knees would be a lot worse than giving the batter an extra base on the overthrow.
True. You might **** yourself from laughter.
4/2/2008 6:21 PM
oh....
well, I'm sure I could handle second base as well......
4/2/2008 6:22 PM
Today marks the three-week anniversary of "Coach" helping uncleal "film" his contortions and dance steps at second base.
Dude, that milk is starting to curdle.
4/3/2008 10:13 AM
CLIFF'S NOTES TIMELINE OF THE THREAD
(for those who feel like they can't read the whole thing)
10/17/07 - stevehogget posts in another thread, speculating that a y could play 2B
10/18/07 - zbrent copies those posts and creates this thread, thus ensuring a spot in whatifsports history ... nine hours after the thread is posted, uncleal weighs in, starting the comedy in motion by suggesting that a y actually had the advantage when it comes to playing 2B
10/19/07 - discussion turns to techniques. the SALT SHAKER and the NINJA FLIP are introduced. ... uncleal challenges conventional wisdom by noting that there's no real reason your arm has to move across the front of your body when you throw
10/20/07 - after attempting to back out of the discussion with an "agree to disagree" offer, uncleal returns to post his miraculous six-step method for turning a double play handed. when someone asks him at what point he turns to face first base, he replies "did i say anything about turning?" hilarity ensues.
10/21/07 - uncleal returns to add a seventh step (labeled step 4 1/2), thus introducing the EXORCIST technique and the potential for serious injury. ... anton makes the first suggestion of a possible videotape, and zbrent, recognizing this stroke of genius, seconds the motion.
10/22/07 - uncleal accepts the challenge to videotape himself. speculation immediately arises that he's bluffing
10/31/07 - first time the thread is bumped to keep it out front
11/05/07 - uncleal swears he's for real, vows to provide the video ... in March
11/08/07 - uncleal proposes that the only reason there aren't y 2Bs in pro ball is that all ies are discouraged at a young age because of their coaches' prejudice
11/10/07 - uncleal vows that he is done with this discussion and that his next post will be the video itself. (subsequent uncleal posts - 30. video - none.)
11/17/07 - thread falls to page 4 of the forum. it is bumped back to the top and a concerted effort follows. it never again falls below the top of page 2.
02/18/08 - the TASMANIAN DEVIL technique is suggested
02/27/08 - the BOOMERANG technique is suggested
02/29/08 - with March fast approaching, uncleal clarifies that he is under no pressure at the start of March and notes that he actually has until March 31 to make good on his promise. he assures that it will happen.
03/09/08 - the LONG SNAPPER technique is suggested
03/10/08 - the EXTRA ARM technique is suggested, touching off a brief debate out whether teams should employ a hard-charging fielder or a hard-charging center fielder to take the flip from the y 2B, do a crow hop and fire the relay peg to first. ... uncleal announces a filming date of 03/12.
03/12/08 - uncleal foiled by camera thief. announces plans to try again tomorrow. toddcommish alerts all TV stations in San Diego of the time, place and basic details of the fiasco
03/13/08 - "coach" "films" uncleal turning two. celebrations erupt in anticipation of the video being posted
03/14/08 - uncleal doesn't see coach today. ... speculation arises that uncleal filmed a righty and plans to post the video running backward. when it is noted that the words on the uniforms would be reversed, uncleal says that "coach" was so far away during "filming" that you won't be able to see the lettering on the uniforms.
03/16/08 - coach's photograph is posted. hilarity ensues.
03/17/08 - picking up on the fun, whatifsports announces harsh defensive penalties for any sim manager stupid enough to put a y at second base. ... "coach" forgot to bring in the "video."
03/18/08 - upset that information about the coach has been posted, uncleal sends in a ticket to have the thread deleted. amid much panic, the offending posts are changed and, two hours later, uncleal rescinds his ticket and allows the thread to stay up. a collective sigh of relief is heard.
03/19/08 - muddy introduces his "no such video exists" mantra.
03/20/08 - a bored rojorider rickrolls the thread. try saying "rojorider rickrolls" five times fast.
03/23/08 - uncleal cryptically bemoans that the situation is "still out of my hands."
03/26/08 - someone mentions seeing a y playing shortstop in a slow-pitch softball game. uncleal replies that it would be silly to suggest a y could play shortstop.
03/29/08 - uncleal cryptically bemoans that "there's only so much i can do."
03/31/08 - uncleal's self-imposed deadline passes. still no video.
04/02/08 - as the calendar turns over, the possibility that it was all an elaborate April Fool's joke is dismissed.
04/03/08 - the wait continues.
4/3/2008 12:03 PM
Bravo on the breakdown, mikeclaw.
4/3/2008 12:13 PM
In the time it took claw to recap, I think I could have taught myself to throw y.
4/3/2008 12:17 PM
You should have, Mike....then you would have a major advantage in turning two.
4/3/2008 12:19 PM
Trying to provide a service. While I myself think it's great fun to meander through the thread in its entirety, it might be helpful for others to get the highlights and use the timeline as an index to find specific posts.
4/3/2008 12:28 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 4/03/2008
In the time it took claw to recap, I think I could have taught myself to throw y.
it is much easier for a y to learn how to throw righty than the other way around

I don't think you can do it
4/3/2008 12:35 PM
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