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. . .you sound like a bond villain.

"NOTHING CAN STOP ME FROM CARRYING OUT MY PLANS!!!!!"

"MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!"
12/26/2009 12:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/26/2009. . .you sound like a bond villain.

"NOTHING CAN STOP ME FROM CARRYING OUT MY PLANS!!!!!"

"MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!"
And you sound like an ARSS..........MWAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
12/26/2009 12:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/26/2009
I already addressed that issue long ago, go figure you didn't read it Oh I read your assumption about the redlining...I'm just reiterating that it is an option. though as you were to busy caught up in your closed mind. I do not agree what-so-ever with your un-educated HD ranking system. You've made that pretty clear...uneducated is incorrect though Go ahead and continue to tell us how right you are though. I've just always thought it would be interesting and logical to base a SOS off of your opponents overall rating and now I'm putting it to use...I'm not entirely sure how this is about me being right, especially since I'm going to do 3 rankings in total, one that bases itself on an SOS based on W-L/SOS which you all seem to like...that's the irony really.
12/26/2009 12:43 PM
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12/26/2009 12:46 PM
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colonels I learned the game from many great mentors and all of them multiple National championship winners and they all will tell you that's it's not just the players but the coaching is more important.

EDIT:how many times do you see a guy 100 overall points or lower then the highest rated player, being the star of the team? I see it a lot and thats because the coach is using the players the way he see's fit and that overall rating don't mean that much.

how often do you see a sim take over a super team with high ratings just to lose?

how many times do you get beat by the same coach who's team has a lower overall rating?

I have had great teams (overall ratings) that have lost and have had bad teams (overall ratings) that have won it all, the great teams where when I first started and the bad teams about 100 seasons later so I put a lot of stock into coaching.

One other thing why do you think the same coaches keep winning no matter where they coach? thats why there are some coaches that I always try to play against because you have to bring your best every game and then you still might get out coached.
12/26/2009 1:22 PM
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12/26/2009 1:26 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mandjtesting on 12/26/2009colonels I learned the game from many great mentors and all of them multiple National championship winners and they all will tell you that's it's not just the players but the coaching is more important.

EDIT:how many times do you see a guy 100 overall points or lower then the highest rated player, being the star of the team? I see it a lot and thats because the coach is using the players the way he see's fit and that overall rating don't mean that much.

how often do you see a sim take over a super team with high ratings just to lose?

how many times do you get beat by the same coach who's team has a lower overall rating?

I have had great teams (overall ratings) that have lost and have had bad teams (overall ratings) that have won it all, the great teams where when I first started and the bad teams about 100 seasons later so I put a lot of stock into coaching.

One other thing why do you think the same coaches keep winning no matter where they coach? thats why there are some coaches that I always try to play against because you have to bring your best every game and then you still might get out coached.
I understand and agree with what you're saying. I've conceded that good coaches make bad teams mediocre, mediocre teams good, and good teams great, but when looking at team talent via the players, there's no way to factor in a coach "strength" without being overly subjective. The overall team rating needs work and adjustment, I understand that, I just think its an interesting way by which to judge SOS, based off of a teams overall rating...something that's never been done before.

I understand that coaching matters a lot in this game, I actually think it might be fair to make an adjustment for human coached teams as to sim coached teams (NEW BREAKTHROUGH), so I'll think about it. Though coaching has virtually no representation in the SOS format, it plays a role in the entire ranking system because wins and losses are most important in my ranking system and good coaches get more out of their teams then coaches like myself and bad coaches.
12/26/2009 1:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/26/2009
Wait, let me get this straight. After telling us for pages and pages that W-L is not as important as teams overall ratings in terms of which team is better Yes, for SOS purposes, you come out here and use your W-L record to try and prove a point? To ask/wonder how I can be such a ****** know-nothing if I have a winning record with a team that's only had 2 prior seasons out of 40 with a human user and is the 4th worst team ever in D2 Tark according to win percentage is wrong? You're painting me out to be a bad coach with very little HD knowledge when I in fact believe that I'm a mediocre coach with mediocre to above average knowledge of how the game plays...that's my point. I'm not as HD dumb as you're making it seem, that's what I'm taking exception with. Ok Mr. 39% I think that number right there tells us everything we need to know about your HD knowledge. The last 3 HD teams I've coached were 15-12, 22-7 (under the kgb_sickle alias) and currently 8-7 with the aforementioned circumstances. I think that speaks for itself.
12/26/2009 1:49 PM
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12/26/2009 2:14 PM
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I feel that until you have 50 plus seasons playing HD that you still have something to learn about coaching, after a few seasons I thought I knew the game but as I learned what I thought I knew I knew really knew little about it.

In this game nothing can make up for actually playing the game and learning as you go. even after all the seasons I have played and games won I still learn something new every season.

just because you don't agree with zhawks or dalter or some of the other vet coaches as you play longer you will come to realize that they know what they are talking about. (I used to think that they didn't know anything when I first started)

people like myself, furry nipps and tmac to name just a few where a lot like you colonels at one time and got into arguments a lot on this board and we all have come to learn that there is nothing like experience.

it's great to see that you have a passion about the game like we do, it's always great to see that. I hope you can become one of the great coaches here, learn not to argue with the vets, they try to help out the new players and believe it or not they do know what they are talking about.

if you have devised a new ranking system post it so we can see it or send it into CS so if they think it's a good idea maybe they would use it.

12/26/2009 3:39 PM
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