HD Losing Interest? Topic

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Our Div III Naismith conference is not down to 3 human coaches. Talk about uninteresting league play.
If WIS were smart I'd do everything I could to try and entice more veteran coaches to pick up addiitonal teams and fill these ghost towns.
Unfortunately recent idiotic marketing/promotional moves do just the opposite. News Flash : Your game hasn't grown in popularity for the last year. The time to step it up is long overdue.
11/12/2006 11:42 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By mullycj on 11/12/2006
Our Div III Naismith conference is not down to 3 human coaches. Talk about uninteresting league play.
If WIS were smart I'd do everything I could to try and entice more veteran coaches to pick up addiitonal teams and fill these ghost towns.
Unfortunately recent idiotic marketing/promotional moves do just the opposite. News Flash : Your game hasn't grown in popularity for the last year. The time to step it up is long overdue.
Sorry, but there is nothing WIS can do to get me (and many other vets) to take more teams. We are divesting, because it is so time consuming to have multiple teams. It is also trying to squeeze blood from a turnip.

Marketing should be geared towards new players, not trying to soak the older vets, who already have invested thousands into the game.

I think the last two worlds that opened up were completely unnecessary, in my opinion. There needs to be a contraction of worlds, in my opinion.
11/12/2006 11:54 AM
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I'm still confused about their logic...... the rewards points change was in order to keep newcomers coming back...... but they aren't advertising for new customers until late December, or January.
11/12/2006 12:19 PM
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11/12/2006 1:13 PM
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my feeling is that they wont put a dime into advertising till all of the upgrades are in place. but what do i know
11/12/2006 1:21 PM
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Well... you'd be right because that's what they came out and said.
Like I said.... their reasoning for the reward points change was to try to retain the new users...... but they aren't goingto advertise for the new users for another month or two.
11/12/2006 1:54 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By asher413 on 11/12/2006I disagree. When those worlds opened up, if I remember right, all of the worlds were full. I think they didn't do enough to reduce the decay after those worlds opened up
And what are they now?
11/12/2006 3:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By csherwood on 10/04/2006
I started on HD, but am now totally hooked on HBD. In my opinion, it blows HD out of the water in terms of the depth and quality of the game. HD is still fun though, and I am looking forward to the upgrades that Admin has promised. Once those go in, especially if ready by the time college hoops starts taking center stage in the national sports scene, I think HD will flourish. I do enjoy my 2 HD teams, just not as much as my 4 HBDs.
EDIT: Of course, it helps that I totally suck at HD and have had a lot of success over at HBD.
I agree that HBD is much deeper than HD. But I'm leaving it for that very reason. I can't keep up with 6 levels of teams and the SIM engine runs my minor leaguers into the ground if I let it handle them. They need a college baseball dynasty game (IMO).

As far as HD goes, I've noticed the decrease in humans in DIII in Naismith. It kinda sucks. I hope everyone is right about it picking up when college bball gets into full swing.
11/12/2006 4:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By billabercrom on 11/12/2006
Quote: Originally Posted By csherwood on 10/04/2006

I started on HD, but am now totally hooked on HBD. In my opinion, it blows HD out of the water in terms of the depth and quality of the game. HD is still fun though, and I am looking forward to the upgrades that Admin has promised. Once those go in, especially if ready by the time college hoops starts taking center stage in the national sports scene, I think HD will flourish. I do enjoy my 2 HD teams, just not as much as my 4 HBDs.
EDIT: Of course, it helps that I totally suck at HD and have had a lot of success over at HBD.
I agree that HBD is much deeper than HD. But I'm leaving it for that very reason. I can't keep up with 6 levels of teams and the SIM engine runs my minor leaguers into the ground if I let it handle them. They need a college baseball dynasty game (IMO).

As far as HD goes, I've noticed the decrease in humans in DIII in Naismith. It kinda sucks. I hope everyone is right about it picking up when college bball gets into full swing.

I don't think that would sell considering almost no one follows college baseball like football or basketball.
11/12/2006 4:53 PM
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interesting thread...

I havn't posted in HD in a while, largely b/c I hadn't visited the forum in a while, and THAT'S mainly b/c I found my own interest waning. vegaskevin mentioned the matter of promotion (or lack thereof) as influencing his position. I think I'm sort of in the same situation.
I just had my best DI run in the NT (Wooden, UC Santa Barb), and I'm almost positive Simmy will tell me, as he does every season, that I'm OVERqualified for the available positions (??) or that I have no shot in hell until I make the post-season more regularly. so, I guess I'm stuck.
now, I'm not arguing that I'm hugely successful as a post-season coach. 20-win seasons are great, but I just don't seem to do well in the CT or make it on my own to the NT/PIT. and I'm not necessarily saying the advancement system is whack (though one could make that argument I suppose), I'm really saying that the prospect of staying at UCSB until I make 3 or 4 consecutive deep runs in the NT sort of leaves me apathetic towards the game.
perhaps (or obviously?) I'm not the only owner who's been struck by ambivalence.
p.s. I find HBD takes more time than HD, and is in some ways more fun for me. that has something to do with it too I'm sure.
11/13/2006 3:22 PM
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Squid, congrats on your season in Wooden. A couple things about the hiring process: You don't need to make 3 or 4 deep NCAA runs to move up. Also, sometimes it still makes perfect sense to take one of those jobs that simmy says you're now a bit "overqualified" for due in large part to the success you've brought to your own program. If the school is a very clear step up, it usually still very worth your while to move. (And you've been at UCSB for awhile, so the loyalty hit you receive when you do move shouldn't be too bad.)
11/13/2006 5:01 PM
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thanks for the info. What I hear you saying is I need to lower my standards even if the schools are willing to lower theirs ; )
I guess I'll see what Simmy says, and see what's available. If there's something interesting, I may need to move even if it's only an incremental improvement.
11/14/2006 1:29 PM
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11/20/2006 12:34 PM
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My interest in HD is certainly waning in light of HBD. HBD is a much better game and requires daily involvement. I barely do anything with my 2 HD teams. Forexample, I coach the #2 ranked team in Iba DII (we are 22-1), and the extent of my daily involvement is checking last nights scores and doing 30 seconds worth of gameplanning. I have 2 HBD teams- one under a different name- and am constantly working them. Especially with the reward points sham, I am going to cut 1 or both of my HD teams
11/20/2006 12:56 PM
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I'm on the other side of the HBD argument. I'm waffling about re-upping my HBD team because the gameplay logic leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion. SIMBASEBALL's gameplay logic and settings capacity is vastly superior, allowing coaches to use individual settings for PH, Steals, Sacrificies, etc. In HBD, we can't even pinch hit (although they are working on that), and I can't tell you the number of times a .300 hitter has sacrificed a guy to third with already one out just because he was a good bunter. There is also about one baserunner picked off per game. Why can't they just use the superior gameplay logic of Simbaseball in HBD?
I'm not at all disappointed with the "reward points sham." I can't blame WIS for changing that--it was much too generous in the first place if you consider that all you had to do was make the Sweet 16 to earn a completely free season. Since success breads success in the way of seeing better recruits, how hard is that for an experienced coach to stay on top in DIII? It's also more realistic. How many DIII coaches "earn" more than their DI counterparts if they both consistantly take their teams to the NCAA tournament?
It doesn't "penalize" coaches for staying in DIII to keep a dynasty there. It just rewards them less--big difference. Instead of getting a season for free if you make the Sweet 16, you get 25% off.
Given all of this, I think HD is still great. They've made recent recruiting changes and pbp enhancements, with more to follow. I'll wait a while before putting HBD on a pedestal.
11/20/2006 1:18 PM
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